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Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: carnage_7-ga List Price: $4.00 |
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06 May 2002 16:42 PDT
Expires: 13 May 2002 16:42 PDT Question ID: 13475 |
Where, when, and in what context did Gladstone make the following quote "Justice delayed is justice denied." |
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Justice delayed is justice denied
Answered By: jessamyn-ga on 06 May 2002 17:34 PDT Rated: |
This quotation is attributed to Justice William Gladstone, but there is some controversy surrounding its origins. "Bartlett's Familiar Quotations" (16th ed.) attributes it to Gladstone but offers no corroborating evidence. A thread on a law librarian listserv seems to indicate that the phrase's origin is farther back, possibly a paraphrase of William Penn in 1693 "Our Law says well, 'To delay justice, is injustice.'" ---William Penn, Fruits of Solitude 69 (11th ed. 1906)(1693) Which is, in and of itself, a paraphrase of the spirit of Magna Carta Magna Carta (1215) Cl.40 provides (English translation):- "To no one will We sell, to no one will We deny or delay, right or justice". The earliest usage that has been noted in legal texts is here: ::: "Justice delayed is justice denied" is from an American ::: case, Gohman v. City of St. Bernard, 111 Ohio St. 726, 737 (1924) [thread begins here: http://lawlibrary.ucdavis.edu/LAWLIB/aug95/0529.html ] Others claim that Gladstone was citing Jean de la Bruyère, a French writer who wrote: "When it is our duty to do an act of justice, it should be done promptly. To delay is injustice." [ source: http://www.legis.gov.bc.ca/1998-99/hansard/H0422P9.HTM ] Gladstone is cited literally hundreds of places with this quotation and all refer back to his quote from Bartlett's or other quotations compendiums. At best, they can say "William Gladstone, 19th Century British Prime Minister and champion of the oppressed" The PBS special on Mr. Gladstone fails to mention this famouns quotation in relation to him [ http://www.pbs.org/empires/victoria/empire/gladstone.html ] So, I'm sorry we didn't nail down a more exact context, but perhaps the assessment that "no one knows" may be helpful. I hope what I've given you is of some use to you. If you are looking for a different kind if answer, please submit a clarifying question. Thanks. jessamyn-ga | |
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carnage_7-ga
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While this answer provided some history about the quotation, it did not answer my specific question and should not get the $$$$. |
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Re: F
From: webadept-ga on 06 May 2002 20:45 PDT |
I don't find that true Mr. Frank, many people are attributed to saying things they never did. Sometimes it sounds like something they would say, or its just more convenient to say the person said it. It was common practice in newspapers of that time to quote someone saying something that was complete fiction writing on the editor's part. They report him saying it, its gets around and poof, you have a legend. Take for instance Mandela and that long winded quotation he's attributed too. That one about hiding your light and such. He didn't say that, not in any speech, written or verbal. In fact I know who said that and what book its in, but common knowledge records otherwise. What was given to you was a complete and accurate survey of the saying, not an off handed guess, nor was it based on "common knowledge". The researchers here try to be thorough and complete, and sometimes "Its unknown" is the complete answer. Now, if the opposite were true, if she had come back with "Justice William Gladstone said it" then, then I would have been a bit upset, but the answer was clear, concise and researched far more than the given hour would seem to have lent. I suggest you got a $10. answer for a bid of $4. Now, these are just my unsolicited/un-paid for comments, and not to be confused with the opions of Google or any of the researchers here on this program. webadept-ga |
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Re: F
From: rosenfeld-ga on 06 May 2002 21:04 PDT |
I think Jessamyn-ga gave an excellent answer that did answer the specific question using the best information available. |
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Re: F
From: jeeves-ga on 07 May 2002 01:53 PDT |
It seems like carnage_7 was not satisfied because the answer did not specifically say in what context the quote was given. The answer instead questioned even the accuracy of the quote and whether it is attributed to Gladstone correctly. That seems to be a very fair thing to investigate when no link can be found other than thousands of photocopies. However, it is only possible to prove someone did not say something if you know everything they said. That is never the case, and so one is just left with the strength of jennifer's arguments. She didn't come back with the holy grail, but instead brought some stuff showing that maybe the grail doesn't exist in the first place. That is something you should consider. Take that last quick paragraph as the quick, late night writing it is. My point is just to express how hard it is to prove something was never said. "I invented the internet." -Al Gore. |
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Mr. Frank's poor response
From: glenn_fleishman-ga on 11 May 2002 07:58 PDT |
Jessamyn's answer was superb and well-researched. Her follow-up even more detailed. Mr. Frank asked for a $4 answer and received a $500 one. He then said that the question wasn't answered appropriately because she disproved his original basis on which the question was answered. This researcher doesn't deserve this kind of abuse, and I can't believe Google isn't vetting this better to ensure good researchers aren't being dinged! |
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Re: F
From: mora-ga on 14 May 2002 16:02 PDT |
There is an entire book dedicated to misquotations "Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations" by Ralph Keyes. |
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