I want to know everything about www.magnumpac.com and its reliability.
Can you help me? It is situated at Amsterdam.
Regards.

Hi there,

The combination of four factors means they are almost certainly not to
be trusted:

1) Poorly designed website. Always a giveaway. If they really have
"$1.2 billion in socially screened assets under management", then they
could afford a better website.

2) Offering the same service under a different name. Look at the title
of this page, and the poor spelling of the file name:
http://www.gcf-securities.com/hoaulage.htm

3) The name has been used in conjunction with Nigerian and lottery
scams:

http://www.nigerianscams.org/companynames.htm
http://www.nigerianscams.org/websites.htm
http://www.mail-archive.com/archive@mail-archive.com/msg01731.html

4) A Google search for their name comes up empty
://www.google.com/search?q=%22MPFS+Asset+Management+Group%22

Ask them to send you a brochure by mail, or try talking to them via
one of their phone numbers. Scammers try to keep everything via email,
so the odds are that their phone numbers don't work, or are just
message banks or answering services.


Best wishes,
robertskelton-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 10 Jul 2003 05:43 PDT

Yes Sir. I fully agree with you. But surprisingly they are answering
my telephonic requests. Though I have confirmed source of info that
they are not a registered banking organisation, my references to ECB
[European Central Bank, Frankfurt] and DNB [Netherlands Central Bank,
Amsterdam] are unable to take action against the firm. That indirectly
gives me an indication that the firm is in existence. They are
promptly responding to all my telephonic enquiries. Above all quality
of website can not be considered as an assessment for somebodies
wealth. Afterall richmen prefer simple way of life as against others
with lesser resources. Your remarks please? Regards. Rama Prasad

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 10 Jul 2003 06:44 PDT

Dear Sir,

Further to mail clarificate let me submit that there is one other
associate unit to MPFS. It is www.maxtrustcontinental.zzn.com
Max trust is basically free mail service but also conducts underwriter
responsibilities to MPFS. There is something very interesting which
needs real research. May be you can help me. If MPFS worth is $ 1.5 B
$ 30.0 M belongs to me. Dont be surprised. Let us investigate what
ever worth it is.
Regards,
Rama Prasad

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 10 Jul 2003 20:25 PDT

Dear Sirs,
I fully agree with your observations. But typically as and when I call
MPFS on their European Office Phone located at Amsterdam is always
replied. The Phone No. is 31+621692961 [Given on their web site]
Typically it is always replied by One Mr James Lockman. The phone
apparently a Mobile or something of that nature. I sure want to
investigate dep into the matter. Please help me.

What is beyond my belief is Institutions like ECB - DNB preferred to
keep silent on my enquiries.

Regards,
Rama Prasad

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Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 13 Jul 2003 01:32 PDT

Hi again Rama,

Further to my conclusion above, I can offer these thoughts:

- As I mentioned above, ask them for a brochure, or anything at all,
just in writing. If they are not to be trusted, they won't have a
brochure, and possibly not even a letterhead

- It is mighty suspicious for any business to combine underwriting and
free email

- They aren't worth $1.2 billion - that's just the amount of funds
they claim to manage. If their fees were 5% per year, then they are
worth whatever profit they make from an income of $60 million a year

- Being associated with Nigerian and lottery scams could be a false
accusation, but is unlikey when added to your own suspicions. Ask them
to refute it

- The links on this page don't work. Any company that offers online
banking would surely rigorously test their site...
https://www.readysecure1.com/users/magnumpaccom/check.htm

- "distinguished board of directors" - most legit companies have no
problem with actually naming their directors
http://www.magnumpac.com/aboutus1.htm

- Compare their mailing address with the one of this very similar
company:
http://www.worldwcs.com/contactus.htm

- They aren't in the yellow pages:
http://www.infobel.com/netherlands/yp/search/result.asp?qcitycode=&qstreetcode=&qnacecode=&qcode=20527947&qnace=&qlastname=magnum+&qcity=&Search.x=65&Search.y=14

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Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 13 Jul 2003 01:33 PDT

Oh yeah, I also found this:

"Suprisingly he sent us an email from 'The Security Company'

The email was from admin@worldwcs.com, giving us an address. We
checked out the worldwcs.com website and damn the 419 scammers are
putting in some more effort into it these days, they're having to
design websites as well!

Hoogoorddreef 43,
1051 JL, Amsterdam,Netherlands.
Telefax +31 615 683 345
Telefax +31 615 683 303

Email info@worldwcs.com
Email:admin@worldwcs.com"
http://www.waronspam.com/cases/419/Ahmad%20Balogun/index.shtml

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 13 Jul 2003 02:08 PDT

Hello Friends,
Let us not work with a prenotion keeping nigeria in mind. The biigest
doubt / problem that is to be discussed is why responsible ECB and DNB
are keeping quite despite of my notifying them? May be it is a bunch
of scamsters, what is Governance of Netherlands doing? Here is a
reason for all of us [like minded people] to react. Let us further
probe and see what would be the outcome.
Regards,
Rama Prasad

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 13 Jul 2003 02:18 PDT

Yes Friends. I want fund the programme to find out truth. Shall we
join together and try finding the facts.

Regards.
Rama Prasad

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 13 Jul 2003 02:47 PDT

I have checked www.worldwcs.com and www.magnumpac.com and their origin
at Domain registration. They have no mutual link. Worldwcs is
registered at US and MPFS at London. Look into this aspect also.
Regards.
Rama Prasad

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Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 13 Jul 2003 05:48 PDT

I'm sure they are the same people:

- Both sites have been purportedly involved in scams
- Both have the same address in Amsterdam
- I've found an instance of same content:

MPFS with its high security storage and network of affiliate security
partners and agents around the world provide you with storage and
specialized courier services through which you could send high quality
goods like precious stones, art crafts and classified commodities to
any part of the world.
http://www.magnumpac.com/services1.htm

With high security storage and network of affiliate security partners
and agents around the world, we provide you with storage and
specialized courier services through which you could send high quality
goods like precious stones, art crafts and classified commodities to
any part of the world.
http://www.worldwcs.com/services.htm

Which means, as scammers, they are very clever, considering how
different the sites and their details are, for the most part.

It appears to me that the correct authorities to contact are the AFM:
http://www.autoriteit-fm.nl

Here's a list of finacial companies trading without a license
http://www.autoriteit-fm.nl/getcontent.cpe?sid=0521B311-B24D-4D6F-B64B-9E7BA8EC4E48&TopicID=266

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 13 Jul 2003 19:26 PDT

Dear Friends,
There appear to be much more than what we are discussing. Can we not
further explore? Pleasae examine.
Regards,
Rama Prasad

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Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 13 Jul 2003 20:40 PDT

Hi Rama,

That's it from me, I am unable to find anything else. You might wish
to consider posting a new question for a different researcher to
tackle.

robertskelton-ga

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 14 Jul 2003 05:44 PDT

Dear Friend,

I do not know why, but sure inclined to investigate further at any
cost. Any little info you think it helps please post me. Thanks for
what all you did. You sure did a great job and I have no hesitance in
confirming.
High regards. 
Rama Prasad

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Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 14 Jul 2003 15:32 PDT

You are welcome.

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Request for Answer Clarification by ramaprasad-ga on 14 Jul 2003 19:45 PDT

thanks. pl. keep in touch if you find any little info

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Clarification of Answer by robertskelton-ga on 14 Jul 2003 19:53 PDT

OK, will do.

Rama Prasad,

It looks as though Researcher robertskelton-ga has provided you with
excellent, accurate information.

As far as your statement
<< Above all quality of website can not be considered as an assessment
for somebodies wealth. Afterall richmen prefer simple way of life as
against others
with lesser resources. >>
I would respectfully have to disagree.

While a rich man might not care about such things *personally*, a
savvy, reputable business knows that it is CRITICAL to show excellence
and professionalism in everything that they do. There is no content
whatsoever on the http://www.magnumpac.com . A real, reputable
company's website would include detailed information on their
organization, their products or services, their financial statements,
as well as address and phone number contact information.

The fact they are "promptly responding to all my telephonic enquiries"
does not say anything about the company's legitimacy. This may simply
be due to the fact that they want to get money from you -- if you knew
that someone was thinking about giving you a LOT of money, you'd
return their calls pretty darn fast, too, wouldn't you? Have you ever
had someone actually personally answer the phone when you call, or do
you always have to leave a message on an answering machine? That can
be a big tip-off that a business may not be what it seems.

I urge you to use extreme caution when dealing with this company -- or
better yet, find a more reputable company with which to work.

Best Wishes,

aceresearcher