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Subject: Attitude towards women in "The Knight's Tale" (Chaucer)
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Books and Literature
Asked by: isognomon-ga
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Posted: 13 Aug 2002 16:43 PDT
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Question ID: 54294
There are two places in "The Knight's Tale" (1st tale in "The
Canterbury Tales") where the knight (narrator) mentions his attitude
toward women. I need to know the line number for these two places,
tonight. I need this before tomorrow, so I will close this question if
it is not answered within the next few hours. (Sorry, but I am in a
bit of a hurry;-) Thanks for your help!
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Subject: Re: Attitude towards women in "The Knight's Tale" (Chaucer)
Answered By: juggler-ga on 13 Aug 2002 18:35 PDT
Rated:2 out of 5 stars
 
Hello.

All line references below refer to the text of "The Knight's Tale,"
courtesy of the online Canterbury Tales Directory.
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Hall/1170/chaucerhtml/medknight.html
In this edition, the Knight's Tale begins with line 859. If your
edition numbers each tale separately, simply subtract 858 from the
line numbers below.

One might argue that the knight reveals his attitude toward women in
more than just two passages. However, since you just want two, let's
start with a couple of his more obvious displays of his views on
women.

2115: To fighte for a lady, benedicitee! 
2116: It were a lusty sighte for to see.

Here, the knight is essentially saying, "To fight for a lady, God
bless us! It's a joyous sight to see." Thus, the knight displays a
very chivalrous attitude.


2820: What helpeth it to tarien forth the day 
2821: To tellen how she weep bothe eve and morwe? 
2822: For in swich cas wommen have swich sorwe, 
2823: Whan that hir housbondes ben from hem ago, 
2824: That for the moore part they sorwen so, 
2825: Or ellis fallen in swich maladye, 
2826: That at the laste certeinly they dye. 

Here the knight is essentially saying:

"What good would it do to spend the day
Telling you how she wept evening and morning?
For in such cases, women have such sorrow
When their husbands have gone,
For the most part, they're so sorry,
Or else they fall into such malady
That at last they certainly die."

In other words, women get so upset when their husbands are gone, that
they cry night and day or get so sick that they die. It's obviously a
rather patronizing view!


Other passages for you to consider:

2680: And she agayn hym caste a freendlich ye 
2681: (for wommen, as to speken in comune, 
2682: Thei folwen alle the favour of fortune) 

In this passage, the knight is basically saying, "And she cast a
friendly eye on him (for women, generally speaking, they follow the
favor of fortune)." In other words, women like men who are
beneficiaries of good fortune.

In the two following sections, women are weeping excessively:

898: A compaignye of ladyes, tweye and tweye, 
899: Ech after oother, clad in clothes blake; 
900: But swich a cry and swich a wo they make 
901: That in this world nys creature lyvynge 
902: That herde swich another waymentynge; 
903: And of this cry they nolde nevere stenten 
904: Til they the reynes of his brydel henten. 


1748: The queene anon, for verray wommanhede, 
1749: Gan for to wepe, and so dide emelye, 
1750: And alle the ladyes in the compaignye. 


On the whole, I see the knight's attitude toward women as chivalrous
but condescending. Women are worth fighting over, but they are
excessively emotional.

I hope this helps. Good luck with your research.

Request for Answer Clarification by isognomon-ga on 13 Aug 2002 21:31 PDT
Thanks for your quick response... but unfortunately this isn't exactly
what I was looking for. I need to find two specific instances in the
book where the Knight directly reveals his own personal views on women
(him as the narrator)? Was there anything else you came across? Thanks
for all of your trouble.

Clarification of Answer by juggler-ga on 13 Aug 2002 21:55 PDT
In all of the passages cited, the knight is directly expressing his
opinion of women.

He's directly expressing his opinion of women when he says, "To fighte
for a lady, benedictee!"

Also, in the passage that begins "What helpeth it to tarien forth the
day," the knight is directly expressing his views about women (i.e.,
he believes that it is in the nature of women to cry and become ill
when they lose their men).

Same thing for the passage when the knight says that "wommen, as to
speken in comune,  Thei folwen alle the favour of fortune." That sort
of thing directly expresses his attitude toward women. In that
passage, he's essentially saying, "Women like men they believe are
lucky or fortunate."

I don't know if you're doing this for homework, but if you are, these
are the  passages that you'd want to cite if your assignment is to
find places where the knight directly expresses his attitude toward
women.

Clarification of Answer by juggler-ga on 13 Aug 2002 22:07 PDT
If you're having difficulty with the middle English, try reading it in
modern English courtesy of the same web site:
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Hall/1170/chaucerhtml/modknight.html

Request for Answer Clarification by isognomon-ga on 13 Aug 2002 22:13 PDT
Actually, it's an argument I'm trying to settle, before we head home
tonight. I was looking for lines that gave his views on what he (the
Knight) thinks of women, generally. There are two lines in particular
that I remember that I was hoping you could give me, unfortunately I
just have a vague notion and don't remember any details. I will know
them when I see them. The lines you quoted are not really what I was
hoping for, but I might not have made myself clear enough. Thanks for
the time.

Clarification of Answer by juggler-ga on 13 Aug 2002 22:40 PDT
Harvard University has a line-by-line translation beginning on this page:
http://icg.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/canttales/knight/kt-par1.htm

If you skim through it, maybe something will catch your eye.

Good luck.
Reason this answer was rejected by isognomon-ga:
Researcher was quick, but did not answer my question. I was looking
for two specific instances, and, although they did provide others, the
researcher did not help me find those particular lines, which were the
only lines I requested. The information after I clarified my question
was of no use to me, as I already own the book and was looking for
help locating specific lines.
isognomon-ga rated this answer:2 out of 5 stars
Researcher was quick and friendly, but unfortunately did not answer my
question. I was looking for two very specific lines, where the Knight
gives his view of women in general. The answers given included general
attitudes about women, but not the Knights overall view of them.

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