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Q: Quarry/Mining Operation--What is the typical charge/ percentage? ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   0 Comments )
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Subject: Quarry/Mining Operation--What is the typical charge/ percentage?
Category: Business and Money
Asked by: dailychaos-ga
List Price: $75.00
Posted: 05 Nov 2002 23:21 PST
Expires: 05 Dec 2002 23:21 PST
Question ID: 100130
Can anyone out there in the great Google family of researchers tell me
what is the competitive rate that a quarry mining operation
(limestone) should pay (on a per ton or percentage basis) to the
owners of the land upon which the rock is mined?  The quarry is
located in Kentucky and is mined year round.  What do quarry
"operators" typically pay to the "land owners" in that area or
elsewhere? I know it is "negotiable", but I really need to get some more
specific information. Thank you so much for your help--your service is
just invaluable!!

Clarification of Question by dailychaos-ga on 06 Nov 2002 19:00 PST
The quarry is known as an "inland waterway quarry" because it has
river access. Thank you again so much for your help!
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Subject: Re: Quarry/Mining Operation--What is the typical charge/ percentage?
Answered By: digsalot-ga on 19 Nov 2002 05:23 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello

Your question has many variables to take into question regarding the
type of limestone and even whether the land has been newly purchased
and royalty rights have been transferred with the purchase or retained
by the original owner.  That aspect of things I will avoid as it
involves legal entanglements and several court case decisions over the
years.  So I will answer under the assumption that the current land
owner has all rights intact and factor in the variables on that basis.

If your quarry is crushed or broken up limestone, the tonnage
royalties are in the pennies.

Some examples are:

Representative Unit Sales Price ($/ton)
State  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  Washington - - -
Tennessee - - - Illinois - - - Indiana
Crushed Stone - - - - - - - - - - - - - -    $5.20                 
$5.44               $4.71        $4.27
(including limestone)
Royalty payments - - - - - - - - - - -     $0.31                 
$0.33               $0.28        $0.26

I found none specific to Kentucky but these should give you some idea.
 Figures are as of the month of June, this year.
Source: USGS Mineral Industry Surveys—all data other than dimension
stone prices.

However, if the limestones on the properties you are asking about are
what are known as "Dimension" stones, dimension stone prices can
exceed $100 per ton.  Dimension stone is that which is used as
building stone.

Examples are:
Representative Unit Sales Price ($/ton) - For dimension stone I found
pricing from two states.
State  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  Washington - - -
Tennessee - - - Illinois - - - Indiana
                                                                      
      $100.00                           $122.00
Royalty payments - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
$6.00                               $7.32
Source: USGS Mineral Industry Surveys

The above are what is known as "Fixed Royalty Rates."

You may want to consider percentage rates.

Lessor’s Perspective of Fixed Royalty Rates
These are for crushed stone but are illustrative of the difference
between fixed rates and percentage rates.  The same differences would
apply to dimension stone, just with larger figures.
Year - - - - - - - - - Prices - - - - Effective Fixed Royalty - - - -
Rate
1975                  $2.07                    $0.15                  
      7.3%
1980                  $3.30                    $0.15                  
      4.5%
1985                  $4.11                    $0.15                  
      3.6%
1990                  $4.93                    $0.15                  
      3.0%
1995                  $4.94                    $0.15                  
      3.0%
2000                  $5.64                    $0.15                  
      2.7%

Lessor’s View of Percentage Royalty Rates
Year - - - - - - - - - Prices - - - - Percentage Rate - - - - Dollar
Rate
1975                   $2.07            5.0%                          
   $0.10
1980                   $3.30            5.0%                          
   $0.16
1985                   $4.11            5.0%                          
   $0.21
1990                   $4.93            5.0%                          
   $0.25
1995                   $4.94            5.0%                          
   $0.25
2000                   $5.64            5.0%                          
   $0.28

The above should give you some idea of what is being done in the way
of royalty payments for both percentages and fixed rates.  You will
also note in the additional research links that diminsion stone is a
catch all term for both limestone, sandstones, and other building
stone.  All figures above are from:
( http://www.aggman.com/0602_pages/0602management.html ) - which is
the website of AggMan, which is a publication of Mercor Media inc.

I have found no royalty rates differing by type of quarry in regard to
being an inland waterway quarry.  Everything seems to be pretty much
the same across the board.

Some additional websites used in the search:
"Crushed and Broken Limestone Mining and Quarrying" - PDF format
( www.census.gov/prod/ec97/97n2123b.pdf ) - US census information
relating to quarrying

"IVANHOE MINES LTD." - PDF format
( www.ivanhoe-mines.com/i/pdf/2001AIF.pdf  ) - Actually this website
is about gold mining rather than limestone.  However it did provide
some search direction in tracking down royalty payments.  Some things
seem to be easier to find when approached from a 90 degree angle.

Search - Google
Terms - mining royalty payments, quarry operation precedure, quarry
royalty payments, inland waterway quarrying

If you need any further clarification, please ask.

Cheers
Digsalot

Clarification of Answer by digsalot-ga on 19 Nov 2002 05:27 PST
I wrote the answer in a word processor and then pasted into the answer
field.  I also had to correct the line up of the numbers at the time. 
After I hit "submit answer," - the number columns seem to have gone
crazy again.  Once an answer is submitted, it is out of the
researchers hands if the program breaks up the columns. - I'm sorry it
happened.

Clarification of Answer by digsalot-ga on 19 Nov 2002 05:30 PST
I'm going to try something else with the numbers and add them as
another clarification.

Clarification of Answer by digsalot-ga on 19 Nov 2002 06:01 PST
Perhaps these will remain in place.  Just plug them into the messy
spots above for easier to read figures.  Meanwhile I have added a memo
to myself to check for undisclosed "white" spaces in the posts.

Representative Unit Sales Price ($/ton) - crushed stone, including
limestone
Washington $5.20 - royalty payment $0.31 
Tennessee   $5.44  - royalty payment $0.33
Illinois  $4.71 - royalty payment $0.28
Indiana $4.27 - royalty payment $0.26

Representative Unit Sales Price ($/ton) - For dimension stone I found
pricing from two states.
Washington $100.00 - royalty payment - $6.00
Indiana $122.00 - royalty payment - $7.32

Lessor’s Perspective of Fixed Royalty Rates
These are for crushed stone but are illustrative of the difference
between fixed rates and percentage rates.  the same differences would
apply to dimension stone, just with larger figures.
1975 prices $2.07  - fixed royalty $0.15 - rate - 7.3%
1980 prices $3.30  - fixed royalty $0.15 - rate - 4.5%
1985 prices $4.11  - fixed royalty $0.15 - rate - 3.6%
1990 prices $4.93  - fixed royalty $0.15 - rate - 3.0%
1995 prices $4.94  - fixed royalty $0.15 - rate - 3.0%
2000 prices $5.64  - fixed royalty $0.15 - rate - 2.7%

Lessor’s View of Percentage Royalty Rates
Year - - - - - - - - - Prices - - - - Percentage Rate - - - - Dollar
Rate
1975 prices $2.07  - percentage rate 5.0% - dollar rate - $0.10
1980 prices $3.30  - percentage rate 5.0% - dollar rate - $0.16
1985 prices $4.11  - percentage rate 5.0% - dollar rate - $0.21
1990 prices $4.93  - percentage rate 5.0% - dollar rate - $0.25
1995 prices $4.94  - percentage rate 5.0% - dollar rate - $0.25
2000 prices $5.64  - percentage rate 5.0% - dollar rate - $0.28
dailychaos-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
This researcher was just *invaluable* in helping my family which some
much needed information.  She (or he) was fast, factual, and backed
everything up with easy to find resources.  If it was up to me to find
this info, I'd STILL be on the computer and this question was asked in
November!  Thanks so much, digsalot!  I'm so glad I finally found this
"rating" button - just wish I could've rated higher than a "5 star"!!!

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