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Discrete probability (Mathematics)
Category: Computers Asked by: math01-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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06 Nov 2002 18:06 PST
Expires: 06 Dec 2002 18:06 PST Question ID: 100828 |
What is the probability of a five-card poker hand containing the ace of hearts? |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
Answered By: tox-ga on 06 Nov 2002 18:22 PST |
Hello there, The probability of getting a five-card poker hand containing the ace of hearts is 1 / 52. This kind of probability question requires you to multiply individual probability odds to obtain the total number of cases. First, the probability of obtaining ace of hearts is 1 in 52 Then the probability of the next card with no restrictions is 51/52 (since 51 cards are remaining) By similar logic, the next 3 values are 50, 49 and 48. Thus the total number of cases of getting a hand containing the ace of hearts is 1x51x50x49x48 = 5997600. The total number of five card poker hands is 52x51x50x49x48 = 311875200. Thus the probability of getting a fivecard poker hand containing the ace of hearts is 5997600 / 311875200 = 1 / 52. Thank you for your question, tox-ga | |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: elipc-ga on 06 Nov 2002 18:33 PST |
Researcher: According to your logic, it is just as likely that a person would select the ace of hearts after drawing just one card which obviously has a probability of 1/52. I believe the correct answer is 1/52 + 1/51 + 1/50 + 1/49 + 1/48. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: darthcow-ga on 06 Nov 2002 19:00 PST |
Tox, your logic is severely flawed, as elipc points out above. Elipc has the correct answer, as each time the pool from which to draw the cards is reduced by one. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: paddlequeen-ga on 06 Nov 2002 19:18 PST |
The correct answer is 5/52. If you insist on reducing the pool by 1 for each subsequent card, then you also have to account for NOT getting the HeartAce as a previous card. So: 1/52 + (51/52)*(1/51) + ..... As you can see, the extra stuff gets factored out. Paddlequeen |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: rbnn-ga on 06 Nov 2002 19:24 PST |
answer given is incorrect. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: elipc-ga on 06 Nov 2002 19:44 PST |
Paddlequeen: Thanks. I need to think about it a bit more, but I believe you are correct. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: mathee-ga on 06 Nov 2002 20:13 PST |
way to go Darthcow, your logic is "severely flawed" as well. Elipc had the wrong answer. Something more humorous than a flawed answer is a flawed criticism. Tox-ga's clarification is correct. His original answer did not account for the ace of heart being able to be drawn as 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th card, which is why it was 1/5 of the correct answer. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: rbnn-ga on 06 Nov 2002 20:24 PST |
This is the same question as: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=100825 , what's the probability of a random day being in April, just with different constants. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: elipc-ga on 06 Nov 2002 20:51 PST |
Mathee: Please take a look at the dates of the posts. The researcher's corrected answer was only posted once paddlequeen came up with the correct answer (which I promptly agreed to in my second post). My original problem with the researcher's logic was valid, as was darthcow's agreement. The fact that I did not arrive at the correct answer in no way makes the researcher's original answer correct. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: darthcow-ga on 06 Nov 2002 21:49 PST |
Sorry about that... that was actually my initial thought as well, but then I thought that maybe elipc was right... arg... need to rethink this one :P. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: jeffshelley-ga on 07 Nov 2002 14:50 PST |
It's a trick question. "What is the probability of a five-card poker hand containing the ace of hearts?" Everybody assumed that we are using 52 cards, but most decks used in casinos for poker have more than 52 cards so people don't cheat. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: elipc-ga on 07 Nov 2002 17:10 PST |
Casinos? Who said anything about casinos!? :-) |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: jeffshelley-ga on 07 Nov 2002 18:26 PST |
good call. |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: kennyh-ga on 08 Nov 2002 03:57 PST |
So far as I know, this is a very basic question of high school level. I don't think it worth so much discussing and I wonder why nobody mention about the basic rule of combinations, that is , C(n, r)= n!/(r!(n-r)!) all combinations of 5 hands is C(52, 5) the combinations of one heart ace and four other cards is 1* C(51, 4) so the probability is C(51,4)/ C(52, 5)= (51*50*49*48/ 4!)/(52*51*50*49*48/ 5!) = 5!/(52*4! ) = 5/ 52 (cancel 51*50*49*48 first) So the 2nd answer of researcher is correct, even though, in my opinion, the idea is important not the answer. But I prefer to solve it directly, also for me, I never multiply such sequence of product as 52*51*50*49*48 Anyway, always, simplify before we do (boring) calculations. khwang |
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Re: Discrete probability (Mathematics)
From: sbmorehead-ga on 10 Nov 2002 12:53 PST |
So far all answers and comments refer to the initial deal, and this is not required parameter of the question. The question would need to adress five card stud poker for these answers to be correct. If this were a stud game with one deck and no jokers, there are 10.4 five card hands, so the probability would be 1 in 10.4 or 10 in 104. If this is draw poker and all 5 cards can be discarded the probability becomes 1 in 5.2 or 10 in 52. |
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