I am trying to find more information about Henry Lang and his possible
descendants.
Henry (then Heinrich) Lang was born in Prague, Cz. (then
Bohemia/Austria), May 22, 1869. He was Jewish. His parents were Simon
and Berta Lang.
He left Bohemia via Hamburg and arrived in New York on March 26, 1894.
He was was naturalized in New York January 17, 1899. The last
information I found is in the 1910 Census ED 1427 Bronx, New York T
624-Roll: 999 Part 1 Page 187, sub page B. Here he was living at 645
Rae St., Bronx NY. He was married to Sara Lang. They had no children.
This is all I found out about Henry Lang.
I would like to know where and when he died. Whether he had children
and whether there are possible descendants.
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Clarification of Question by
zipeter-ga
on
10 Nov 2002 00:29 PST
I made a mistake. Henry Lang was not naturalized in 1899 but in Aug 7,
1903. In 1899 thre was his petition for naturalization.
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Request for Question Clarification by
omnivorous-ga
on
10 Nov 2002 05:31 PST
Zipeter --
Can you tell us what you've tried and possibly ruled out? For
example:
-- have you checked either 1920 or 1930 census for same address?
-- do you have naturalization papers?
-- have you tried to get a death certificate from the state of NY?
-- any information on his occupation (that should be listed in 1910
census)?
-- how old is Sara in 1910 (he's 41)? Obviously we're asking to see
if we can rule out children.
Sometimes going BACKWARDS helps too, if you think that someone you
know was related. For example, if there were a Jacob Lang, born in NY
in 1911, parents both from Czechoslovakia, then you'd want to get his
birth certificate to cement the connection.
Best regards,
Omnivorous-GA
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Request for Question Clarification by
scriptor-ga
on
10 Nov 2002 06:32 PST
Dear zipeter,
Is it possible that the maiden name of Sarah Lang was Sarah Wein, born
in Austria, 1873?
Regards,
Scriptor
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Clarification of Question by
zipeter-ga
on
10 Nov 2002 08:01 PST
Here is some more information.
- I have checked the 1920 census, too. Here I found a Sarah and Henry Lang
living on Amsterdam Ave, ages are close but now there are two children listed
George 19 and Irene 13. Also the country of origin is not correct. This to me
seems to be a different couple. They are in ED 971, page 104B sheet 9B. I
haven't been able to check the 1930 census.
- I do have the naturalization papers for Henry Lang.
- I have not tried to get a death certificate from New York. I have absolutely
no idea when and where he died. This is what I really would like to find out.
- His profession in the 1910 Census was bookkeeper I think in a furniture house.
- Yes, I think his wife was Sara Wein born in Austria in 1873. This is the
information I have on my family tree. The problem is that I can't recall
where I have the information about Sara's maiden name from.
- Unfortunately I don't know about any other children or ancestors of Henry
Lang in the US. His brothers and sisters like my ggrandmother stayed in
Europe, where most of them were killed in the Holocaust.
Henry Lang had cousins who went to America with him. I was able to find
information about them, and their children including the graves where they
were burried but nothing that helped to locate Henry Lang.
I ope this additional information will help. Thanks
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Request for Question Clarification by
omnivorous-ga
on
10 Nov 2002 10:16 PST
Scriptor's in Germany and is undoubtedly pursuing a different tack
than I am (Hi Scriptor!)
Please compare the 1910-1920 countries of origin -- due to the war,
what was Austria became Poland or another country. I know less about
Czechoslovakia but am sure that the same principal applies.
It is possible that if they were childless in 1910 they still could
have adopted; she would have been about 37 at the time of earlier
census.
What I could do:
* check 1920 and 1930 census. It's really only reasonable to check
matching street addresses. There are LOTS of EDs in the Bronx, as I'm
sure you know.
* recommend that you use the information that you have to request a
copy of the "Petition for Naturalization" and "Certificate of
Naturalization" from the Immigration and Naturalization Service using
a 'Freedom of Information Act' (FOIA) request:
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/g-639.htm
I had to call the local INS office to make sure that a request
regarding my grandfather was sent to the right place but the process
does work.
* Finally, though you don't know the dates (or place) of death, you
could try NY City Municipal Archives to see if there's a possibility
of ruling out their being in the city:
http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/html/5bymail.html
Good luck,
Omnivorous-GA
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Clarification of Question by
zipeter-ga
on
10 Nov 2002 15:27 PST
Dear omnivorous,
thank you for your suggestions.
Prague and Czechoslovakia was part of the Austrian Empire before WWI.
After the war it became an independent country, the Czech Republic.
The countries of origin for Henry in the 1920 Census is Germany and
for Sarah Ireland instead of Austria.
Henry changed address between 1900 and 1910 several times, so I think
he might have done the same between 1910 and 1920 and 1930. Looking up
the census would be very time consuming and I think without knowing
the address almost impossible. What do you think?
In fact I do have copies of the Petition for Naturalization and
Certificate of Naturalization. Very interesting documents but not
really much information that is new to me, country of origin, date of
birth, date of immigration, a new address etc.
To ask for death certificates is very difficult and perhaps expensive,
too, without knowing the date of death, not even approx.
It seems as though Henry Lang just vanished. What else is there to do?
Thank you,
zipeter
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Request for Question Clarification by
omnivorous-ga
on
10 Nov 2002 17:14 PST
Zipeter --
First, it's pretty clear that the 1910/1920 Census entries aren't
related people.
Second, there's a paper trail out there; it's just tough for us to
find. I don't have any good suggestions -- and you've been pretty
thorough already. Synagogue records might be a good bet, though I
don't know if a Jewish history institution in NYC maintains records
from old synagogues.
It's going to take a little luck from here. The only other logical
suggestion that I can make is to check Jewish/Czech cemeteries. When
we've done it for relatives, we go to the office first to see what's
on file cards -- often there's key contact information about relatives
(and even cause of death).
Good luck!
Omnivorous-GA
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Clarification of Question by
zipeter-ga
on
12 Nov 2002 13:02 PST
Omnivorous,
thank you. I think you are right. Only luck can help here.
When you think about the number of Jewish cemeteries in New York and
the number of synagoges, where should one start?
So this seems to be pretty hard.
zipeter
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Request for Question Clarification by
omnivorous-ga
on
12 Nov 2002 13:19 PST
On the "where to start" question. A couple of suggestions:
1. try a Jewish historical group in NYC for suggestions
2. NY cemeteries which are both Jewish and Czech
3. if you're near a NARA (National Archives Record Admin --
www.nara.gov) they have city directories from the olden days. You
have an address: find synagogues in the area from 1910; use that as a
thread to pursue records
The only other suggestion that I can make is trying to reach common
relatives via a Genealogy forum such as Rootsweb. As unlikely as that
may seem, it's often stunningly successful. Three years ago I found
two lost cousins -- one of whom was seeking an obit for our
grandfather. When I ran across her message, I had an original of the
obit on the desk in front of me.
Good luck. You're off to a good start.
Best regards,
Omnivorous-GA
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Clarification of Question by
zipeter-ga
on
12 Nov 2002 13:37 PST
I will do as you told me.
Thanks
zipeter
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Clarification of Question by
zipeter-ga
on
22 Nov 2002 15:56 PST
Dyermaker, thank you. I have found him in the 1930 census already (Via
Ancestry.com). Now I have him and his wife in the 1900, 1910, and 1930
census. In the 1900, 1910 and 1930 census places of origins are
correct and there were no children in the household.
I believe I also found them in the 1920 census but here they suddenly
have 2 children of 13 and 19 and the place of origin for the wife is
Ireland instead of Austria. Their age is correct. They lived in
Manhattan, New York all the time and I haven't seen any other entries
with the same name and age.
I would like to find out whether the people in the 1920 census are the
same people. Perhaps mistakes like the ones described are possible.
That means in the 1910 census the children are not listed and in the
1920 census the country of origin is Ireland instead of Austria. Is it
worth trying to find information about the children I mentioned and
their possible descendants or would this rather be a waste of time.
Perhaps you can have a look at these census records and tell me what
you think about it.
I found the census records at ancestry.com
The 1900 census is Manhattan ED 662 (Sheet no 12) (AncestryImage 23)
The 1910 census is Manhattan ED 1427
1920 census ED 971 page 104B sheet 9B (Here there are the children
George and Irene)
1930 ED 520 Page 18B
zipeter.ga
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Clarification of Question by
zipeter-ga
on
26 Nov 2002 12:55 PST
I have found out that my 1910 census record was wrong. I found the one
which I think is the right one, here the children of the 1920 census
are mentioned too. They are no longer in the 1930 census mentioned
because I think they had already left the house (age 24 - 29). One of
the sons was called George. I found two George Langs who might be the
right ones born in Manhattan, one born in 1900 and the other one in
1901 (Ancestry Database: New York City Birth, 1891-1902). Need help
to find out who was the right one and from there to trace his possible
family. This might be easier than to trace the daughters wwo might
have married and changed their name.
zipeter
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