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Was Jesus a Virgin?
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion Asked by: thorstenrauser-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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11 Nov 2002 15:54 PST
Expires: 11 Dec 2002 15:54 PST Question ID: 105641 |
Some christian churches preach sexual abstinence before marriage. To my knowledge without real references existing in the bible. Also there is little known about Jesus as as teen or twen. Looking forward to your answer! Best wishes Raus |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
Answered By: kriswrite-ga on 11 Nov 2002 17:20 PST |
Hi thorstenrauser~ Actually, the Bible is fairly specific about the idea that people should remain abstinent before marriage. The word "fornication," so oft used in translations of the Bible, literally means "voluntary sexual intercourse between an unmarried woman and a man, especially an unmarried man." (Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, Dorset & Baber, 1979.) For an online dictionary definition, try Merrium-Webster at http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary Here are a few examples of what the Bible says about fornication (New American Standard Version). In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, the Bible states "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, not adulterers....shall inherit the kingdom of God."Hebrews 13:4 states "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge." Acts 15:29 says "...that you abstain from things sacrificed =to idols and from blood...and from fornication..." In Matthew 15: 19, Jesus says "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders." In addition, as you read the Old Testament, it becomes evident that sex and marriage went hand-in-hand...to have sex outside of marriage was considered a sin. An example: In Israel, the law states that if a man has sex with a woman, he *must* marry her (Deuteronomy 22:28:29). Jesus' comments in Matthew 5:27-30 follow up on this. He said: "I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Notice that he said *anyone,* not just a married person. Later, Paul wrote: "Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." (1 Corinthians 7:8-9) This does not specifically say that premarital sex is bad--but it *does* say that the desire for premarital sex is a bad thing. The Christian community concludes that if the desire for premarital sex is a sin, then the act itself must also be. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 states: "Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband." The Greek word for "touch" here means "to fasten one self" or "to kindle a fire." In 1 Corinthians 6:16, Paul writes: "Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For 'the two,' He says, 'shall become one flesh.'" This is based upon the words of Jesus in the Gospels. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus is quoted: "'Haven't you read,' he replied, 'that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, and said 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore, what God has joined together, let man not separate." Therefore, sex makes men and women "one" spiritually. In other words, if a man and woman have sex, they are married in the eyes of God. Therefore, if they have multiple sexual partners, they commit adultery--something that is clearly prohibited throughout the Old and New Testaments (examples: So, was Jesus a virgin? Since Jesus said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them," (Matthew 5:17) it is clear he upheld the Old Testament law and it's teachings. Therefore, he would have avoided sexual immorality--including fornication. (He also speaks against fornication in the New Testament, as already noted.) Since Christians believe Jesus was God and was tempted but didn't yield to that temptation (see Matthew 4), then he could not have yielded to the temptation to have sex outside of marriage. Although we don't know much about Jesus as a teenager, we do know that even in his early youth, he was draw to spiritual matters, and was careful about Old Testament law (see Luke 2:41-51 as an example). And the Bible never gives any indication whatsoever that Jesus was ever married. For an interesting site on the Bible and sexual abstinence, visit: http://members.aol.com/lntift/ej/scripture.html Keywords Used: bible abstinence ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=bible+abstinence&btnG=Google+Search I hope this helps! kriswrite |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: journalist-ga on 11 Nov 2002 18:59 PST |
There is a large contingent of theologians who believe Jesus was married and had children. Though reference to this does not directly appear in the Christian New Testament, speculation is that the wedding feast at which Jesus allegedly turned water to wine was his own marriage celebration and that his bride was Miryia of Magdelene, a.k.a. Mary Magdelene. Theologians state that the mother of Jesus would never have spoken so abruptly to him unless the feast was his own, where he would have been responsible for the merriment of the guests. Because Mary Magdelene is referenced numerous times in the Christian bible, especially at the last supper, many theologians suspect that she was the wife of Jesus and that certain Roman Catholic men of the Nicene Council simply removed (and possibly destroyed) all known references to this when compiling the scriptures known as the Christian bible. If you want further information in this area, see the Google search results at ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=mary+magdelene+wife+of+jesus and also read about the Council of Nicene from the search results at ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=council+of+nicene |
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Re: The Missing Years
From: journalist-ga on 11 Nov 2002 19:04 PST |
Also, if you wish to read the speculation on the "missing" years of Jesus, see the Google search results at ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=jesus+missing+years |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: kriswrite-ga on 11 Nov 2002 19:07 PST |
Journalist~ That's an interesting theory...but there isn't any real proof to back it up. I'm not sure why some groups are uncomfortable with the idea that Jesus was never married...It's an interesting bit of psychology! kriswrite |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: neilzero-ga on 12 Nov 2002 08:44 PST |
I would say there is real proof of very little that happened 1000 years ago or more. Too many people have had the oportunity to edit history, and some edited very skillfully. Also common is fiction that pretends to be fact. What happened yesterday is even subject to reasonable doubt. Neil |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: sian-ga on 12 Nov 2002 12:28 PST |
Since Jesus (Heb. Yeshua) was a Torah observant Jew and, indeed, is even referred to as "Rabbi" by his disciples (John 1:38), it is quite possible that he was married, for had he remained celibate, he would have been violating the mitzvah (commandment) "Be fruitful and multiply" (Gen. 1:28). It doesn't make sense to me that Jesus would say in Matthew 5:17, "Think not that I am come to abolish the law [Torah she-bi-khtav], or the prophets [Nevi'im]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" (K.J.V.), but yet fail to fulfil his obligation as a Torah observant Jew to marry and propagate the human species, as commanded in Genesis. Judaism regards the taking of a wife as an important precept, binding on every man. Even a man who is no longer capable of fathering children is urged to avoid the celibate life. In Jesus's time, an unmarried man would have only become a complete human being when he had married. This was based primarily on Genesis 2:24 which says, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" (K.J.V.). For this reason, the Tannaim or ancient Jewish sages taught that "he who has no wife cannot be called a man." I'm convinced that Jesus was married and, as journalist-ga points out, it is highly possible that his wife was none other than Mary Magdelene or Mary of Magdala. Ancient Gnostic texts, such as The Gospel of Mary (originally written in Greek some time in the second century C.E.), portray Mary as Jesus's beloved, possessed of knowledge (gnosis) and teaching superior to that of the public apostolic tradition. In the Gospel of Mary, Peter says to Mary, "Sister, we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of women. Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember - which you know (but) we do not, nor have we heard them." As for Paul, since he never ceased being a Pharisee (Acts 23:6) and therefore "shomer mitzvot" (Torah observant), he was quite possibly married. My own personal opinion is that he was and that the passage in 1 Corinthians stating that he was unmarried is nothing more than an interpolation. Biblical scholars have known for some time that spurious material has been inserted into a number of passages in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. In the Gospel of Mark, for example, the final 11 verses of the last chapter are an interpolation, and the same is true for John 7:53; 8:1-11. This is proven by the fact that these verses do not exist in the most important uncial Gr. MSS. of the New Testament: codices Vaticanus (B) and Sinaiticus, both of which date to the 4th cent. C.E. At any rate, we will probably never know for sure whether or not Jesus and Paul were celibate or whether they were married, though I feel the textual evidence favors the latter. Namaste, sian-ga |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: pugwashjw-ga on 02 Jul 2003 10:00 PDT |
Yes he was. When you read the whole Bible as a whole, and match up all the scriptures, you will find a "Theme". It is God giving us instructions on how we are to behave to enter, as the Bible puts it, the " Kingdom of God" It is not heaven, as that spiritual place is already occupied with "myriads" of angels, God`s heavenly sons. Jesus` spiritual life in heaven is plainly explained at Proverbs 8, verses 22 to 30. Proverbs was written by King Solomon, Agur and Lemuel in Jerusalem in 716 b.c.e. under inspiration directly from God. verse 27 says " When He prepared the heavens, I was there". And verse 30 " Then came to be beside HIM as a master worker. Jesus was actually involved in the creation. He was a perfect Son of God, God`s very first creation. Jesus came to earth in a man`s body, via his mother Mary, to teach us what God requires of us to enter His " Kingdom of God". This is not heaven as that spiritual place is already occupied with "myriads" of God`s other spiritual sons, the angels. It was essential that Jesus remain "perfect" from his birth to his death, to fulfil the prophecies throughout the Bible. The Bible clearly regards sexual relations as being a "sinful" weakness of humans. |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: kriswrite-ga on 05 Jul 2003 12:38 PDT |
Jesus was not a Rabbi. The disciples called him "teacher," because he was their spritual teacher. There is no historical evidence that Jesus ever had formal rabbinical training. It is *possible* that Jesus was married, although there is no historical evidence for this, really. But even if he *was* married...so what? It really has nothing to do with his claim to Diety, or with his teachings. Kriswrite |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: pugwashjw-ga on 12 Jul 2003 09:37 PDT |
As God`s son, Jesus was perfect, and to fulfil all the prophecies about him , mentioned in the Bible, It would be necessary for him to remain a virgin and perfect. Galations 5;19 states, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, they are fornicationm, uncleanness, loose conduct etc. etc. Sexual relations whether in the marriage arrangement is still fornication. To remain perfect to comply with God`s purpose, Jesus would not have married, or even contemplated it. The end od verse 21 states that those who practice such things will not inherit God`s Kingdom. All men since Adam have been born sinners and it is for these ones [us] that Jesus was put to death. And at Hebrews 9;24.. " For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God..for us. |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: kriswrite-ga on 14 Jul 2003 09:42 PDT |
Sex within marriage is *not* in any way fornication, by any definition, modern or ancient. |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: norbel-ga on 25 Aug 2003 14:43 PDT |
pugwashjw--You are correct in saying Jesus was involved in the creation. In fact, He was the Creator (see John 1:3 and elsewhere). However, He was not, "God's very first creation." Jesus was God in the flesh. He was not a created being. |
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Re: Was Jesus a Virgin?
From: pkeyrich-ga on 26 Nov 2003 13:29 PST |
Destroy, Fulfill? Jesus was a complete human being even though he was not married. Please read the text at the following link to understand more of what was meant when Jesus said he came to "fulfil". http://www.newadvent.org/summa/210702.htm The above link is in response to sian-ga on 12 Nov 2002 12:28 PST, who wrote: "Since Jesus (Heb. Yeshua) was a Torah observant Jew and, indeed, is even referred to as "Rabbi" by his disciples (John 1:38), it is quite possible that he was married, for had he remained celibate, he would have been violating the mitzvah (commandment) "Be fruitful and multiply" (Gen. 1:28). It doesn't make sense to me that Jesus would say in Matthew 5:17, "Think not that I am come to abolish the law [Torah she-bi-khtav], or the prophets [Nevi'im]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" (K.J.V.), but yet fail to fulfil his obligation as a Torah observant Jew to marry and propagate the human species, as commanded in Genesis. ... In Jesus's time, an unmarried man would have only become a complete human being when he had married." |
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