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Is posting a user name breaking the law???
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: helpme99-ga List Price: $3.00 |
Posted:
12 Nov 2002 18:00 PST
Expires: 12 Dec 2002 18:00 PST Question ID: 106516 |
Please help. I have a newsletter. In this letter I sometimes list what I call stinker letters. "Rude emails that I receive" A woman sent me one of these letters with her permission to list it. After the letter since she sent no name I posted her user name. Now she is threatening to sue me for a million dollars for posting her email address. I did not post her email address. I posted a user name that could have ended in @yahoo.com, @aol.com or @whatever.com. I have received a legal document in my email. The document was written on word pad and I am pretty sure that it was written by her being that she is a legal secretary. This document said that it was sent by an attorney friend of hers but no name, no phone number or office address..nothing. Since then I have received similar threats from different aol user names. I have no idea what to do. I am a stay at home mom with a web site. I am not a corporation. She also posted bad feedback about my website with planet feed back telling them that I posted her email address. Is posting a user name the same as posting an email address? Have I done anything wrong since she gave me permission to post her letter? Thank you...worried. | |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
Answered By: legolas-ga on 12 Nov 2002 20:24 PST |
Hi Susannah, I am not a lawyer, nor is Google Answers intended to give legal advice on legal matters: however, I can give you at least some information on this problem. There seems to be a number of issues that you've raised in your e-mail. Perhaps your most pressing concern is whether or not the individual can sue you for publishing her "username". Suing an individual is allowed in most jurisdictions for any reason whatsoever. Basically, you can sue anyone for any reason at any time. However, the continued threat of a lawsuit in order to intimidate or threaten is called barratry, and a definition is found at the link below. http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=barratry As I see, it there are a few issues that you raise apart from the worry of, "can she sue me?". First is that she gave her permission to post her letter--and now is threatening suit because you have somehow violated her privacy (or caused her to look silly, etc..). In order to sue successfully for damages in a slander/libel type of case, one would typically have to prove a financial loss. Secondly, and speaking as someone who does computer networking for a living, a username is meaningless without the domain name. You can not send an e-mail to "John Smith" without knowing his username (ex. jsmith) and the domain (ex. bigisp.com). Therefore, her username alone is no more identifiable | |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: susannah-ga on 12 Nov 2002 18:35 PST |
Sounds to me like she's just annoyed with you for posting her letter. If she gave you permission to print it, I don't see what grounds she has for suing you. Also, if I was going to sue someone, I wouldn't send them a legal document via e-mail with no name or contact details of the lawyer who apparently wrote it; I'd find out their real name and address from the ISP, and send the legal documents to her home address. My (non-legal) advice is, call her bluff. If you have an attorney, send this woman an e-mail saying that all further correspondence should be directed to your attorney. Quite frankly, I'd be amazed if you hear anything more from her. |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: helpme99-ga on 12 Nov 2002 19:07 PST |
Thank you. I live in Indiana and she lives in Putnam co. New york. The newsletter is free for anyone to sign up. I don't sell subscriptions nor do I buy emails addresses..in the document that she sent me she states.. Plaintiff has no problem with the posting of the letter, since part of HHOFs website is called Stinker letters. Plaintiff does object to the posting of her email address since this is a site which reaches millions of readers. Still the question is ...is posting a user name illegal??? Is a user name and an email address the same thing? I know this is a legal question and I will be contacting an attorney. We don't have much money and this whole thing is ridiculous to me. She sent a letter for me to post. I posted it..did not use her real name nor did I post her email address...So I am confused if posting a user name is illegal. She also states this in the document I received on word pad that I feel she wrote...it says it was sent by an attorney but there was no name signed...address or anything saying who this attorney could be. 8. Because of the harrassment, fear of viruses, and nasty emails coming from complete strangers, plaintiff has been damaged in the sum of $1,000,000.00 or as the court deems just, proper and appropriate. Now I receive harassing emails almost on a daily basis from who i feel is the same person threatening to sue me using different aol screen names... the last one said....in the subject line...READ NOW I am sueing you NOV 25th so be prepared... Thank you... |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: missy-ga on 12 Nov 2002 21:15 PST |
helpme99, I asked an attorney of my acquaintance about your question. His opinion? Posting a user name is not illegal, nor is posting a letter you had explicit permission to post. Your harrasser is a fraud. Legal documents do not arrive via e-mail - official legal documents are sent via the USPS, on letterhead, with signatures. In some jurisdictions, threatening suit in order to harrass or frighten someone, with no intention of actually filing suit, is a crime itself. (If you like, I can check into this in IN for you. It's usually a misdemeanor.) I would suggest the following: -- Send your harasser one letter, and one only, stating that you would like her to cease harassing you, and that any further mail from her will be sent to her ISP's abuse department. Copy the ISP in on this letter - such harassment is usually against the TOS of many ISPs. Continuing to bother you may well get her Internet service revoked. -- Contact the abuse department of your harasser's ISP, forwarding them copies of the e-mail with full headers, and advise them of the situation. (If you don't know how to get full headers, just ask, and I will explain for you.) -- DO NOT respond to her. AT ALL. Filter your e-mail so that any mail she sends to you gets sent to a special folder. Send copies of any further harassing e-mail to the abuse department at her ISP. (If you don't know how to set up filters for your e-mail, just ask. I'll be glad to help.) For additional help, I highly recommend the Usenet group newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email . The admins who populate the group are typically very helpful, and can give you pointers for washing this harasser right out of your inbox. Good luck. --Missy |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: sparky4ca-ga on 12 Nov 2002 22:26 PST |
Following on a tip from here: http://www.loverscaughtontape.com/letters/stephen.html (warning!! -- link has links to adult content!!) I looked up: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/usc2511.htm Which does indeed say that if you are a party to the communication, or have the consent to the communication, you can do what you want with it, as long as it isn't for illegal purposes (like using the info someone emailed you to assist you in a bank robbery). Specifically, in: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/usc2702.htm § 2702. Disclosure of Contents (b) Exceptions.--A person or entity may divulge the contents of a communication (3) with the lawful consent of the originator or an addressee or intended recipient of such communication, or the subscriber in the case of remote computing service; Since you were the recipient of the message, assuming you gave yourself consent to disclose the contents of the message, then you're cool. NOTE: The contents of the message would, of course, include the sender and recipient(s)' usernames and email addresses, as well as sometimes their ISP information, their IP address, their employer or organisation, etc. (all contained in the "Header" fields of the message.) Don't point her to these statutes, though. Let her figure that out after she pays a lawyer. For now, just keep all of her messages, as you may be able to make a case for harrassment, and threats. |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: snapanswer-ga on 12 Nov 2002 22:54 PST |
I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. I suppose these are simply practical observations. First, if this person actually files a case, my impression is that you will receive a summons to appear for the trial. Further, the date of trial would generally be far enough in the future that you would have time to seek legal counsel after being notified. One might consider waiting until there is notice of a case being filed before spending a lot of money. Second, since this person gave you permission, it would appear that you would have a strong defense, if this ever came to trial. Third, have you checked your privacy policy on your web site or in your newsletter? If you have a privacy policy, you may want to review it to make sure that your actions are in alignment with your stated policy. Fourth, if you ever come into contact with this person, do not apologize and do not admit wrongdoing, unless a lawyer reviews your comment. It is sad that these days, this type of situations cannot be handled with a simple letter of misunderstanding. However, it is clear that this person intends to threaten to use (or actually use) the legal system to vent her anger. For future consideration, you may want to look into forming a corporation or LLC to protect your assets from frivolous lawsuits. |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: helpme99-ga on 12 Nov 2002 23:15 PST |
could I show any of you the emails that I have have received from her just to show you how mentally unstable she sounds or would that be breaking the law somehow?? Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your advice. I received a certified letter notice today that I am afraid to pick up from the post office. What really gets me is her emailing me from her aol account with different user names. I can't prove this but I feel this is the case. I would love to show someone all this to get an opinion if I could. Hugs to all of you, |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: missy-ga on 13 Nov 2002 05:21 PST |
helpme99, Showing us the mail might make you feel better, but it's not as effective as showing it to the abuse department of her ISP. You say she's e-mailing you from AOL - in which case, you're in luck. AOL isn't on my list of favorite ISPs, but their abuse department is top-notch. If it's all coming from one person with different screen names, they'll be able to sort it out and get her off your back. They don't mess around. Just be certain to include full headers so they can trace the mail effectively. --Missy |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: owain-ga on 13 Nov 2002 05:56 PST |
If this person is pretending to be an attorney, but isn't, that may be an offence in itself - and may disbar her from working in a law firm even as a secretary. Also, if she is sending these emails through her employer's internet connection, her employer may also be liable. OWain |
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Re: Is posting a user name breaking the law???
From: helpme99-ga on 13 Nov 2002 06:00 PST |
Missy...you are the best...could you show me how to include the header? Going to call the aol legal department today. :) |
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