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Subject: How can our company protect ourselves from harassing by Skytel
Category: Computers > Wireless and Mobile
Asked by: sherpaj-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 12 Nov 2002 22:28 PST
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Question ID: 106649
I have a problem with Skytel.

About 10 months ago Skytel offered us 5 blackberries and 5 Motorola
T900 2-way pagers to demo for 30 days.   There was no cost to the
demo.  We would get the hardware, and the service for free.  If we
choose to keep any of them, after the 30 days, we would be billed and
the service you continue.

During that time we demoed the units to many of our clients and
associates, with some of them then buying new units from skytel.  Our
demos were so successful at getting sales for Skytel that they offered
to extend our demo for other 15 days, which would give us time to show
them to some new businesses that recently signed up with us.  We then
returned 4 of the blackberries and none of the T900s.

Skytel’s billing dept failed to register the returns, and 2 months
later presented us with a bill for over $4,000, when the actual amount
for the 5 T900s, the single blackberry, and 2 months of service should
have been around $1,800.  We refused to pay. Our sales rep apologized
and try to get the bill fixed.  He ended up not being able to get it
fixed for weeks, and during that time Skytel shut off all service to
the blackberry and the T900s. At the point we had dumped our pagers,
and had come to rely on the T900s.  It took them weeks to straighten
it out and reactivate our service.  Meanwhile we had no paging
ability, and clients started to get upset.  They finally said the only
way to settle it was for us to pay the new amount which was $2,400. 
The extra $600 was because their servers had messed up and sent an
entire an entire POP3 inbox to one of the T900s.  Their blunder
generated $1,200 in billing, and they felt we should pay half since we
couldn’t prove that it was their mistake.

Since I was tired of wasting time on this, we paid the $2,400, on the
promise from our salesperson that he would then work to have the $600
credited back and was confidant h could do it.  They turned back on
the service for a few days and then the billing dept shut them all off
again, demanding we then pay the remaining amount plus all kids of
interest charges.

Turns out their billing dept failed to credit the blackberry units we
returned, and failed to communicate with whatever dept had fixed the
issue and told us that the bill would be only $2,400.

Our salesman kept calling and apologizing.  He said that it would be
corrected and everything would be turned back on at no additional fee.
 This went on for weeks.  He kept telling us how sorry he was that
Skytel’s billing dept was so messed up, and how sorry he was that he
couldn’t do anything about the situation.

We gave up on Skytel and had to dump the worthless blackberry and the
five T900s, and ended up buying all new hardware and service from
Earthlink.  Skytel hardware cannot be used on anyone else’s network.

Our relationship with Earthlink has since blossomed, and our continued
demos have helped them sell many many T900s and blackberries.  They
have treated us well, and on the few occasions that they would make a
mistake, they always credited us a few free months of service for
having unconvinced us.

Skytel is now calling me and still demanding thousands of dollars. 
They finally did credit $1,500 for the return of 3 of the
blackberries, but that is just 3 of several.  They have now added all
kinds of extra fees and finance charges.  I called our salesman only
to find that he quit.  I guess he got tired of dealing with an
organization that is so messed up.

Skytel is now threatening me that if we don’t pay them they will send
the amount to collections and proceed to ruin our credit and harass
us.  We have worked hard to build a long and solid Dun and Bradstreet
file.  We have perfect credit in all areas.

What can I do to stop Skytel from putting false charges into our
corporate credit record?  What are our rights as a company in dealing
with such a messed-up corporate giant like Skytel (a subsidiary of
WorldCom, which has been so much in the news for illegal accounting
practices).

Also…
How can I use the Internet to warn other small businesses about
Skytel, and the type of practices they engage in?   I know I can post
on place like epinions (www.epinions.com), but is there a way I can
reach a broader audience?   How can I have a report of this case come
up when people search for skytel on search engines like Google?

Request for Question Clarification by lisarea-ga on 13 Nov 2002 11:56 PST
Where are you located?
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Subject: Re: How can our company protect ourselves from harassing by Skytel
Answered By: lisarea-ga on 16 Nov 2002 12:01 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Before I answer this, let me extend my sympathies. It can certainly be
frustrating to deal with something like this.

Because I don't know where you're located, I'll try to answer this
somewhat generically, and point out where the laws and remedies may
differ according to location. I am assuming you're in the US. If you
aren't, please let me know in a clarification.

A nice, basic overview of credit reporting issues is available online
from the FTC:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/crdright.htm

This covers the subject from a broad perspective, but at this point,
this advice is probably most valuable to you:

"If you want to contest a credit report, bill or credit denial,
contact the appropriate company in writing and send it "return receipt
requested."

When you contest a billing error, include your name, account number,
the dollar amount in question, and the reason you believe the bill is
wrong.

If in doubt, request written verification of a debt. 

Keep all your original documents, especially receipts, sales slips,
and billing statements. You will need them if you dispute a credit
bill or report. Send copies only. It may take more than one letter to
correct problems. "

In a nutshell, this is about your only recourse right now.

At this stage, there is little you can do legally. Essentially, Skytel
has not taken any real action against you, such as sending your
account to collections, suing you, or reporting you to the credit
bureaus. All they are doing at this point is sending you erroneous
bills. As such, your actions at this point will have to be somewhat
proactive in trying to prevent them from taking this further.

Your first course of action must be to try to get the attention of a
living human being who has the power to resolve the issue. Calling a
customer billing number hasn't done much good so far, so you'll need
to go up the ladder a bit.

I would recommend sending a letter, return receipt requested, to both
your local sales office and to Skytel's corporate billing offices.

Simply describe the situation as clearly and as unemotionally as you
can. For these purposes, you could probably just modify the question
you posted here slightly.

In the first paragraph, outline the situation broadly--state that you
are being erroneously billed for this amount, and you would like this
to be cleared up immediately.

See this page to locate your regional sales office:

http://www.skytel.com/aboutus/contactus.htm 

This page at Hoovers provides detailed information about Skytel:

http://www.hoovers.com/co/capsule/9/0,2163,14149,00.html

According to this page, the VP of Customer Service and Support is
Jim Myers, so you may want to send him a copy of the letter as well,
at the coporate headquarters:

Jim Myers
VP, Customer Service and Support
515 E. Amite St.
Jackson, MS 39201    

Another step you might take at this point is to start collecting
evidence. Gather together any paperwork you have that illustrates the
situation, as well as your notes and narrative describing your
communications with Skytel. Any time you contact them via mail, ask
for a return receipt to prove that they received the letter, and save
this, along with a copy of the letter, in your files. If you talk to
them on the phone, you may even want to consider taping the
conversations as well, if this is allowed in your state. If this is
not allowed, simply take detailed notes, indicating the time and
content of the call, as well as who you spoke to.

This page provides a list of the states in which single-party consent
is acceptable for recording telephone conversations:

http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.recordlaw.html

Also take into account where the other party is located. Skytel's main
corporate offices are in Mississippi, a single-party consent state, so
you should be able to record your calls to them (again, assuming that
you are also in a single-party consent state).

If you do choose to record your telephone calls, you'll need to get
the equipment necessary for this.

This website offers a number of different telephone recording devices,
with varying features and prices:

http://www.recordingjacks.com/

You can see their available all-in-one phone recorders here:

http://www.ahernstore.com/phonerecorders.html

And their recording jacks, which hook up to a separate recording
device (such as a shoebox tape recorder) are here:

http://www.ahernstore.com/recordingjacks.html

If you'd prefer just to pop down to the store and pick something up,
Radio Shack also has this basic recording jack, which may be in stock
locally:

http://www.radioshack.com/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F001%5F001%5F028%5F000&Page=1

IF THEY REPORT YOU TO A COLLECTION AGENCY

If Skytel does report you to a collection agency, there are additional
courses you can take from there. See this overview (primarily geared
toward private parties, but applicable nonetheless) at the 'Lectric
Law Library:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cos26.htm

From this page:

"CAN YOU STOP A DEBT COLLECTOR FROM CONTACTING YOU?

You may stop a collector from contacting you by writing a letter to
the collection agency telling them to stop. Once the agency receives
your letter, they may not contact you again except to say there will
be no further contact.  Another exception is that the agency may
notify you if the debt collector or the creditor intends to take some
specific action."

So, once the case has gone to collections, you can write a letter (go
to your post office and request a return receipt so you can show they
received it), and tell them not to contact you again regarding the
bill unless and until they decide to take action. This can serve to
force their hand somewhat, as there's little more they can do to
collect but take you to court.

IF THEY REPORT YOU TO A CREDIT BUREAU

If Skytel reports you to a credit bureau, your rights are then
protected under the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FRCA). This page at the
FTC describes your rights as a consumer:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/crdtdis.htm

To address your Dun & Bradstreet account specifically, their FAQ is
here:

http://sbs.dnb.com/sixQuestions.asp

From the section, "How can I be certain the data D&B collects is
up-to-date?"

"If, for any reason, you should question the information received
about a company, a group of dedicated consultants are available to
reinvestigate the information at no charge."

So, if Skytel reports you to Dun & Bradstreet as delinquent, you can
contact Dun & Bradstreet directly to speak to a consultant in order to
have them investigate the claim and arbitrate the dispute.

Dun & Bradstreet's online help file lists the following contact
information for Small Business Support:

email: sbsSupport@dnb.com

phone: (866) 472-7362

IF THEY TAKE YOU TO COURT

Although it's probably pretty unlikely, they also have the option of
suing for the amount they claim you owe in court.

The specific court they could sue you in would depend on your
location, but for these purposes, it would either be small claims
court or civil court. This would depend on the court rules for your
location, as different municipalities have different limits on maximum
claims in small claims court, and different rules for the types of
disputes and awards allowed.

Broadly, though, if you are sued, you should have the option of
countersuing for damages according to your local court rules. The more
comprehensive and accurate your records are, the more likely you will
be to win any case they bring against you.

Because the rules vary so much, general information about the courts
would really be of limited value. However, if you are interested in
learning more, you could try searching on - "small claims court"
[state] - for the state you live in.

As to your final question on how to alert other potential clients to
your complaints, your best bet would be to report their actions to the
appropriate regulatory agencies and consumer information resources. In
this case, you might try the following:

The Federal Trade Commission regulates industry broadly, and tracks
and regulates billing issues, as well as other consumer issues.

Their main website is here:

http://www.ftc.gov

and their online complaint form is here:

https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

The Federal Communications Commission regulates businesses within the
various communications industries, including wireless providers. They
do not resolve billing problems, as stated on here:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/cellular.html#billing

"I'm having billing problems with my cellular provider; who can help
me?
The FCC does not regulate contractual arrangements with cellular
providers, but does handle complaints about wireless service."

However, they will accept your other complaints related to system
outages and failure to provide service. See this page for information
on how to file a complaint, including a link to the online form:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaintfiling.html

You can also report them to the Better Business Bureau. The BBB office
local to their corporate headquarters in Jackson, Mississippi, is
online here:

http://www.bbbmississippi.org/

You can also file a complaint within your specific region (See
http://www.skytel.com/aboutus/contactus.htm to locate the your
regional sales office.)

Of course, you can also register complaints at various consumer sites,
such as www.epinions.com, as you mentioned. Some others are:

http://www.complaints.com/
http://www.tattletaleconsumerhotline.com/
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/
http://www.planetfeedback.com/
http://www.baddealings.com/

I hope this answers your questions sufficiently. If you'd like more
detail or clarification on any of these issues, please feel free to
ask.

And good luck. 


SEARCH TERMS

"consumer rights" billing 
erroneous bills 
"single-party consent"
"telephone recording"
"corporate credit" disputes
"consumer complaints"

BONUS: In my search on 'erroneous bills,' I uncovered this little gem
I just can't help but share. (The original page is gone, but here's
the Google cache):

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:jyWYlLL1gY0C:www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1010Tuition-TacoBell-ON.html+erroneous+bills&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
sherpaj-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars

Comments  
Subject: Re: How can our company protect ourselves from harassing by Skytel
From: morningstar2000-ga on 13 Nov 2002 10:57 PST
 
Dear Sherpaj - 
    
     Well I am sorry to hear that you have been swooped up and taken
advantage of by  the big guys.    The question you posed is so huge
that I can not possibly answer it correctly.   My advice to you other
than posting a complaint with the Better Business Bureau is to get an
attorney quickly.   How much in the end would you have to pay to sort
this all out is unknown.   What I have found out from the countless
sites is the WORLDCOM has changed almost every position in their
company.   On Nov 15th they will be laying off another 20,000
employees so the speculation goes.  What this means to you is that
unless you have a really good paper trail that you kept.  You are
going to find clueless people each step of the way.  People who don't
know who you are, or any of the conditions of your prior agreement.   
I have listed several links below that you can look over in your spare
time.  There are archives going back to winter of 1999 on billing
errors incurred by Skytel through MCI WORLDCOM.  Some are attributed
to the change over in billing systems at SKYTEL.   On the Better
Business Bureau site you can file a complaint at
http://www.bbb.org/bbbcomplaints/Welcome.asp

MCI WorldCom Blamed for Sky-High Errors in SkyTel Bills -
Computerworld
http://www.computerworld.com/news/1999/story/0,11280,37797,00.html

Billing Issue for SkyTel Paging Services
http://www.dtsw.army.mil/library/memos/backbillmemo-skytel.html

Dotcom Scoop: As The WorldCom Turns
http://www.dotcomscoop.com/worldcom13.html

   Good Luck to you in getting this resolved.   I am sure none of this
is new to you.  You may also look into the Small Business
Administration office near you to see if they can help you as well.

Thank you, 
Morningstar

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