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Subject: an oil painting I saw in Louvre in 1995
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: gingerino-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 14 Nov 2002 11:49 PST
Expires: 14 Dec 2002 11:49 PST
Question ID: 107799
The painting is of a man and woman . He is standing on a rock above
her, reaching down for her hand as she climbs up toward him. The title
was in another Language, but I believe it may have been "The Flight
from Hell of Paolo and Francesca". I do not know the author's name. I
have looked everywhere for this painting. Paolo and Francesca appear
in Dante's INferno and havebeen the subject of numerous famous
sculptures (like Rodin's "The Kiss") and other fairly well known oil
paintings. But this painting is not one that appears on normal web
searches, not in any coffee table books about the Louvre, because it
is NOT famous.I think the century is surely 18th or 19th; it is
romantic in feel, not medieval, and definitely  not twentieth century.
If you can verify the title and the author of the painting as I have
described it, I will be glad, no, utterly delighted, to pay you $50.00
But the painting has to be the one I am describing above. ONe more
thing: I don't know why, but I think the painting was by a spaniard.I
got a glimpse the painter's name and had never heard of him, so
elected, foolishly, to try to remember the name of the painting. (
Yes,  I have been looking for this painting since '95)

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 14 Nov 2002 16:34 PST
Dear gingerino-ga ;

I too have visited the Louvre and thought I recalled seeing the
painting you referred to. Please advise if this is the work you are
interested in and I will provide you with all the information you
need.

http://www.artyst.net/DOCUMENTS%20WEB/GirodetD%E9luge.jpg

Thanks in advance;
tutuzdad-ga
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Subject: Re: an oil painting I saw in Louvre in 1995
Answered By: livioflores-ga on 30 Nov 2002 22:18 PST
 
Hi gingerino!!

Reading your question and searching the Louvre database, I conclude
that the painting that are you looking for is "Le Déluge" or "Scene du
Déluge" by Girodet (GIRODET DE ROUSSY, ANNE LOUIS).

A brief biography of this painter:
"GIRODET DE ROUSSY, ANNE LOUIS (1767-1824), French painter, better
known as Girodet-Trioson, was born at Montargis on the 5th of January
1767. He lost his parents in early youth and the care of his fortune
and education fell to the lot of hi: guardian, M. Trioson, "
medecindemesdames," by whom he wa: in later life adopted. After some
preliminary studies under a painter named Luquin, Girodet entered the
school of David and at the age of twenty-two he successfully competed
for the rix de Rome. At Rome he executed his "Hippocrate refusant es
presents d'Artaxerxes "and" Endymiondormant " (Louvre), work which was
hailed with acclamation at the Salon of 1792. The peculiarities which
mark Girodet's position as the herald f the romantic movement are
already evident in his " Endymion." The firm-set forms, the grey cold
colour, the hardness of the execution are proper to one trained in the
school of David, but hese characteristics harmonize ill with the
literary, sentimental and picturesque suggestions which the painter
has sought to render. The same incongruity marks Girodet's " Danae "
and his ' Quatre Saisons," executed for the king of Spain (repeated
for ^ompiegne), and shows itself to a ludicrous extent in his "
Fingal" St Petersburg, Leuchtenberg collection), executed for Napoleon
'.. in 1802. This work unites the defects of the classic and romantic
schools, for Girodet's imagination ardently and exclusively pursued
the ideas excited by varied reading both of classic and of modern
literature, and the impressions which he received from the external
world afforded him little stimulus or check; he consequently retained
the mannerisms of his master's practice whilst rejecting all restraint
on choice of subject. The credit lost by'' Fingal "Girodet regained in
1806, when he exhibited ' Scene de Deluge " (Louvre), to which (in
competition with the 'Sabines" of David) was awarded the decennial
prize. This success was followed up in 1808 by the production of the "
Reddition de Vienne " and " Atala au Tombeau "—a work which went far
to deserve its immense popularity, by a happy choice of subject, and
remarkable freedom from the theatricality of Girodet's usual manner,
which, however, soon came to the front again in his " Revoke de Caire
" (1810). His pcwers now began to fail, and his habit of working at
night and other excesses told upon bus constitution; in the Salon of
1812 he exhibited only a "Tete de Vierge "; in 1819 " Pygmalion et
Galatee " showed a still Further decline of strength; and in 1824—the
year in which he produced his portraits of Cathelineau and
Bonchamps—Girodet died on the gth of December.
He executed a vast quantity of illustrations, amongst which may be
cited those to the Didot Virgil (1798) and to the Louvre Racine
(1801—1805). Fifty-four of his designs for Anacreon were engraved by
M. Chatillon. Girodet wasted much time on literary composition, his
poem Le Peintre (a string of commonplaces), together with poor
imitations of classical poets, and essays on Le Genie and La Gr&ce,
were published after his death (1829), with a biographical notice by
his friend M. Coupin de la Couperie; and M. Delecluze, in his Louis
David et son temps, has also a brief life of_Girodet. _"
Taken from "The 1911 Edition Encyclopedia"
http://90.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GI/GIRODET_DE_ROUSSY_A_L_.htm


At the Base Joconde, a database of the Ministére de la Culture of
France which includes 120,000 descriptions of drawings, prints and
paintings from the VIIth century to present, of the collections of
over 60 museums in France, I found that the iconography source of this
paint is the lyric poetry, specifically the Divine Comedy by Dante
Alighieri.
http://www.culture.fr/cgi-bin/wave.cgi?liste=wpi04&numero=31&session=94758

An image of the painting:
http://www.culture.fr/cgi-bin/wave.cgi?image=/Wave/image/joconde/0036/m501104_0000310_p.jpg&session=94758


A detail of the woman:
http://www.gedankennetz.at/paris/p023.html


Also you can see a page called Girodet (for more info about the
painting and the painter):
http://perso.club-internet.fr/rpastor/EVY/romantisme/girodetar.html

This page is in french, so may be you want a translated version page:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://perso.club-internet.fr/rpastor/EVY/romantisme/girodetar.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgirodet%2B%2B%2522Le%2Bd%25C3%25A9luge%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8


Viewing the Louvre magazine I found this!!:
"Tableau du mois de novembre 2002
Scène de déluge
par Anne-Louis Girodet de Roussy-Trioson"
http://www.louvre.fr/francais/magazine/redecouv/peint/tableau.htm

The translated version of the page:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.louvre.fr%2Ffrancais%2Fmagazine%2Fredecouv%2Fpeint%2Ftableau.htm&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools


See the following page:
http://www.louvre.fr/francais/magazine/redecouv/peint/nov2002/tab_f.htm

Translated version:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.louvre.fr%2Ffrancais%2Fmagazine%2Fredecouv%2Fpeint%2Fnov2002%2Ftab_f.htm&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools


And for a large image of the "New Draft" or "esquisse inédite" of the
paint:
http://www.louvre.fr/img/photos/magazine/rf2001-15.jpg


I hope you find this answer satisfactory.
If you need some clarification please post a request for it.
Thank you for using Google Answers.

Best Regards
livioflores-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by gingerino-ga on 02 Dec 2002 08:41 PST
It is not la Deluge. I am familiar with that painting, too, but this
is not the painting. THe title of the painting is as I suggested. Or
something very close to that with the names of Paolo and Francesca in
the title. sorry.

Clarification of Answer by livioflores-ga on 02 Dec 2002 21:38 PST
Oh!! Please give a few days to try to find the correct paint, I was
really sure that this was the paint that are you looking for.
I need that you tell me one more thing. The paint is a part of the
Louvre´s Collection or it was a part of a special exhibition. And may
be you remember the room where the paint is/was exhibited.
I will work on this hard.
livioflores-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by gingerino-ga on 03 Dec 2002 09:37 PST
I do not believe it was part of the Louvre permanent exhibit. I have
asked my sister and others who traveled to the Louvresince 1995 to try
to spot it for me and they have been unable to do so, so it may have
been on loan from another museum or in some sort of Louvre rotation
internal to their system. I think the artist was Spanish, for some
reason.I am delighted for you to contiunue to look for it, but you
must rely on the title I gave you.That is going to be the best bet we
have of finding it. Thanks so much.

Clarification of Answer by livioflores-ga on 05 Dec 2002 19:48 PST
Hi!!
Thank you for the information, I am waiting the answer of several
e-mails that I have send today. I am searching in all museums of
France and Spain, and some private collections.
Best Regards
livioflores-ga
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