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Subject: Starting a car wash business
Category: Business and Money > Small Businesses
Asked by: moneybags-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 15 Nov 2002 13:42 PST
Expires: 15 Dec 2002 13:42 PST
Question ID: 108524
What are the steps and costs involved in starting a touch-less car
wash business in Canada, specifically in the greater Toronto area?

(I have already used google to find some information, but most of the
info found was in the United States.)
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Subject: Re: Starting a car wash business
Answered By: taxmama-ga on 25 Nov 2002 07:04 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear Moneybags,

You want to know what to do to start a touch-less carwash business
in Toronto?

1) Research the industry, as it exists in Canada, a bit more.
You can do this by joining the Canadian Car Wash Association
and reading some of their industry publications to learn
about the issues and problems they have been addressing.
http://www.canadiancarwash.ca/

They may also be able to help you learn more about industry costs.
Getting to know some of the players, you may get some good tips
on how and why you will be able to negotiate better prices from 
the manufacturers (due to any glitches you learn about, etc.)


2) Select a manufacturer. The equipment you use will help you 
determine just how much land you'll need for the car wash, 
detailing bays, space to dry/finish the cars and waiting room
for customers.


I found two major manufacturers of touch-less or touch-free car
wash equipment. One in Canada and one in the US.

a) Tracer by Wash Dynamics (a Heemcorp company)
http://www.heemcorp.ca/prod01.htm

Wash Dynamics offers both Master Franchises, and individual
Franchises,
for the investor that wants to fast track the project.

Building drawings, equipment selection, site analysis, and business 
plans, all form part of this winning team.

For more information, you can reach them at 
info@heemcorp.ca  613-822-1708 

They are quite close to you, in Gloucester, Ontario
so they should be familiar with the other aspects of your
business issues.

Personally, if I wanted to start this business, I would start here.

b) PDQ Inc, which only makes touchless car wash systems, is not
all that far, either, in Wisconsin. 

http://pdqinc.com/


They have a distributor in Guelph ON  called, Wash-Tech
http://www.wash-tech.com/


3) Knowing your equipment needs, you will need to find a site
with the following considerations (The Wash Dynamics folks say
they can help you with site analysis):

a) One that is zoned to permit your business and is large enough 
to meet your needs. 

b)You will be generating waste water. Make sure that you can get
all the appropriate clearances and permits for a car wash at your
chosen location.

c)It would be wise to drive the area and see who your competition is,
and how many other car washes there are.

d) Is there enough of a customer base nearby to support your business.
You want people to be able to come to you during working hours, or on
their way home, so there should be businesses nearby with a large 
employee base.

e) What provisions do you need to make to deal with the snow and the
cold, with respect to freezing pipes, work areas, 'rain checks', etc.
Or, do you operate in the winter?

4) Do some research to determine the optimum number of employees you
will need to be most efficient. And is there a base of unskilled
labor to draw from? What will your total labor costs be?

Revenue Canada payroll tax information is located here:
http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/rc4163/rc4163-e.html

You can  register your business online with them here:
http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/taxkit2001/business-e.html


You will also need to get familiar with your province's tax issues,
like Employer Health Tax (EHT)
http://www.trd.fin.gov.on.ca/scripts/index_.asp?action=31&P_ID=2697&N_ID=3&PT_ID=2679&U_ID=7024

Overall, you'll find general information for small businesses here:
http://www.trd.fin.gov.on.ca/scripts/index_.asp?action=31&P_ID=160&N_ID=3&PT_ID=2697&U_ID=0

I would actually engage the services of a good, local Chartered
Accountant, at this point. They will also know if there are any
tax credits available for hiring certain employees, being located
in any specific areas, etc.

5) Look into the costs of insurances - you will need general 
business insurance, equipment insurance, liability insurance,
workers compensation insurance. Some of the costs my be reduced
by incorporating or forming an LLC. Talk to your Tax Professionals.

6)Knowing your costs to purchase equipment, pay rent (or buy the
property), employee costs, business tax issues and insurances, you
can now build a coherent business plan. 


The manufacturers are not posting any costs for their systems.
I suspect that whatever price you are quoted may be negotiable.

Does this give you a good starting point?

Your TaxMama-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by moneybags-ga on 25 Nov 2002 12:26 PST
Thanks TaxMama!

Your answer definitely gives me a great starting point. The only thing
I would like you to elaborate more on were the number of manufacturers
for equipment in Canada. Only two manufacturers were listed in your
answer.

I was already aware of the heemcorp company and really wanted to know
if there were more options of manufacturers to purchase touchless car
wash equipment in Canada. Also if I were to buy the equipment from a
company in the United States, how much taxes or extra costs would be
involved.

I hope this is not too much to ask, but I was hoping to have a larger
list of manufacturers to choose from.

Thanks again!

Clarification of Answer by taxmama-ga on 25 Nov 2002 16:47 PST
Dear MoneyBags,

Sorry to give you such a small playing field. 

In looking around, the other manufacturers I located were offshore 
http://www.kwikcarwash.co.za/  - South Africa
http://www.kwikcarwash.co.za/truck.htm - Australia

I did find another US manufacturer - InterClean in Michigan
http://www.interclean.com/   

Google searches
"touchless car wash" manufacturer 
"touch-less car wash" manufacturer 

You can certainly avoid paying any extra taxes or import
duties if you work with local companies, or with local 
distributors of US companies.  They should be able to 
build any taxes into their price, since they will be
responsible for bringing any machinery or parts into Canada.
And it makes no sense if their pricing is not competitive
with Canadian companies.

Remember, Wash-Tech is the Canadian distributor for PDQ

Incidentally, there is a car wash trade show coming up
in Michigan in January. You might want to see if you can 
get your hands on last year's directory, in the meantime.
http://www.midwestcarwash.com/seminars/topic.asp?ID=5

With respect to taxes, one thing I did find is that if you buy
the merchandise outside Ontario, you will still need to pay 
Ontario provincial sales tax on it.
http://www.trd.fin.gov.on.ca/userfiles/page_attachments/Rsie_202.pdf

I'm afraid I can't give you much more information on 
any potential taxes or duties if you bring in equipment.


That's why I recommend contacting the Canadian Car Wash Association.
I suspect it's something their members deal with all the time. 
And if they haven't addressed this, as a resource, this is a 
good time to bring it up. They will be having a board meeting
on December 3rd, in a week or so. You may want to get in touch
with them before that. 

I always find that starting my in-depth industry research with a trade
organization gives me the best, detailed information to get me started.

One thing I'd want to know more about, if I were you?
How does the business survive in the winter?

Are there special services you can offer, like cleaning the salt
off the underside of the cars? (Since you'll be setting equipment
up from scratch, perhaps they can provide some extra jets to that?)

Your TaxMama-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by moneybags-ga on 26 Nov 2002 13:30 PST
Hi TaxMama, 

Your answer clarification was great regarding the taxes and extra
costs involved, but I still have a very short list of manufacturers
and distributors to contact in Canada. Is there any way you can find
more manufacturers or distributors in Canada?

Thanks again for your help!

Clarification of Answer by taxmama-ga on 26 Nov 2002 14:15 PST
Hi MoneyBags,

While there are other car wash manufacturers, these
were the only ones I found that built touchless wash systems.

But, I found the best planning resource for you at the
Hanna-Sherman site. Look at the planning tools they provide.
There's information about how to select a location, business
plans, and links to other resources. 
http://www.hanna-sherman.com/resources/index.html

Frankly, here in So. California, I've never even heard of a
touchless car wash. (And I am surrounded by Rolls-Royces,
Hummers, Jags, Lexuses, Infinities and other high-end vehicles 
on a daily basis.)  The technology must be relatively new.
There may not be many players in the field yet. From my
reading, it appears that PDQ is a pioneer, one of the oldest
manufacturers of the touchless systems. Perhaps others haven't 
changed over their tooling to build them yet.

These three were all I could find. 

I really think that, if they exist, you will find more if you
join the  Canadian Car Wash Association 
http://www.canadiancarwash.ca/ 

Sorry, but this is as far as I can take it for now.

Best wishes,

Your TaxMama-ga
moneybags-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Very satified with the answers given by TaxMama. Your service
definitely exceeded my expectations. Thank you TaxMama for all your
help.

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