I WILL ONLY ACCEPT AN ANSWER FROM A RESEARCHER WITH A 4 OR 5 STAR
RATING
DO NOT ANSWER IF YOUR RATING IS LOWER... HOWEVER ANYONE MAY ADD A
COMMENT.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET AN ADEQUATE ANSWER TO DATE.
READ THIS DESCRIPTION AND EARLIER QUESTION BEFORE... "LOCKING":
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=107287
Background:
I am a strategic marketing partner for a U.S. based IT outsourcing
firm. Our target market is any company with an IT department, in any
industry, looking for ways to reduce their IT overhead. I seek highly
advanced keyword search engine techniques or methodologies to resolve
this issue. I do not want a rehash of standard techniques. I want a
fresh view and summary... a cutting edge search approach.
Requirements:
Spell out SE keyword search methodologies that will yield highly
TARGETED SEARCH results for:
1. Corporate websites that list their CORPORATE OFFICERS on a web page
(e.g. aboutus.htm; contactus.htm; management.htm; etc.)
(e.g. Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Chief Financial Officer
(CFO), etc.)
2. Limit the search to a specific CITY thereby rendering 1,000 results
barrier to a non-material limitation.
(i.e. access to only 931 of 1,351,000 results is not productive
for this project.)
3. Eliminating what keywords from the search might yield CLEANER
results?
(e.g. -"resume" -"press" -"news" -"release" -"employment" -"jobs")
4. Please don't think this is assignment is easy or anyone can answer
it. I want a well laid out response. It must resolve the above
requirements. I expect to learn high-level search methodologies that I
do not already know.
For instance... this Google search yields inadequate results.
How can it be improved?
"corporate management" "San Jose, CA" -"resume" -"press"
-"news" -"release" -"employment" -"jobs"
At Google Advanced (://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en)
this search is configured as follows:
Exact phrase: "corporate management" "San Jose, CA"
Without the words: -"resume" -"press" -"news" -"release"
-"employment" -"jobs"
Language: English
Results/page: 100 results
Timing:
I would like a response within 3 days. Don't rush your response - I
would rather wait than have an incomplete or inadequate that I need to
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
15 Nov 2002 19:57 PST
THIS QUESTION WAS LOCKED WITHIN 10 SECONDS OF POSTING WHICH IS IN
VIOLATION OF THE INSTRUCTIONS I PROVIDED.
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET AN ADEQUATE ANSWER TO DATE.
READ THIS DESCRIPTION AND EARLIER QUESTION BEFORE... "LOCKING":
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=107287
YOU ARE DISQUALIFIED. PLEASE UNLOCK THIS QUESTION IMMEDIATELY.
This matter has been brought to the attention of Google
Answer-Editors.
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
15 Nov 2002 20:01 PST
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: URGENT: Question ID: 108681 - REQUEST RESEARCHER BE
DISQUALIFIED FROM ANSWSERING QUESTION
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:55:39 -0800
To: answers-editors@google.com
HELLO ANSWER-EDITORS,
I just posted Question ID: 108681.
Within 10 seconds this question was LOCKED... which is in clear
violation of the instructions I provided:
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET AN ADEQUATE ANSWER TO DATE.
READ THIS DESCRIPTION AND EARLIER QUESTION BEFORE... "LOCKING":
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=107287
It seems that a BOT has been utilized, which means that the
"Researcher"
did NOT READ the question, nor was anyone else given the time to
review it.
As far as I am concerned, this BOT LOCKING strategy completely
circumvents Google Answer's intent to have a "Researcher" who is
qualified in a given topic or category answer a question.
This Question ID: 108681 is a highly technical question and requires
careful thought and deliberation by a "Researcher" with the proper
qualification.
This is an UNACCEPTABLE tactic.
I request that Question ID: 108681 be UNLOCKED by the Answer-Editors
and
made available to the field.
I thank you in advance for expediting this matter immediately and a
prompt response.
....................
Thank you,
Strategic Marketing Partner
IT Cost Management
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Request for Question Clarification by
hailstorm-ga
on
16 Nov 2002 17:11 PST
abrandt,
Would you please clarify part 2 a little more for me? Are you saying
you want to make sure you have queries that return no more than 1,000
results maximum?
As a sample to show that I am seriously considering your issues, in
your "for instance" in part 4, I see two problems with the search you
are attempting. One, the term "San Jose, CA" is unnecessarily
limiting, because San Jose and California can be mentioned in
different parts of the page, and California may not always use the
abbreviation (ie, "San Jose, California"). And two, you are running
into the maximum10 word limit imposed by Google. Even though you place
it in quotes, "San Jose, CA" is considered three words total. Since
you have 11 words total, Google truncates everything after ten for
processing. So -"jobs" is never looked at by Google.
Does this query show more adequate results?
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22corporate+management%22+%22San+Jose%22+-resume+-press+-news+-release+-employment+-jobs&btnG=Google+Search
Also, believe it or not, you cannot do the most "Advanced" searching
techniques in Google from the "Google Advanced" page. I will discuss
this in my answer after you clarify part 2 for me.
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
16 Nov 2002 22:29 PST
Hello Hailstorm,
> Would you please clarify part 2 a little more for me? Are you saying
you want to make sure you have queries that return no more than 1,000
results maximum?
ANSWER:
2. Limit the search to a specific CITY thereby rendering 1,000 results
barrier to a non-material limitation.
(i.e. access to only 931 of 1,351,000 results is not productive for
this project.)
A) What is the value of exceeding 1,000 results if the search engine
limits access to only the first 1,000 results. What is the value of a
total return of 1,351,000 results?
B) If I limit the search to the CITY location of a corporation, it is
much more likely that there are not more than 1,000 corporations
headquartered in that city that have websites listing their corporate
officers.
For instance, our local library provides access to RefUSA.com which is
a database resource. Upon conducting a search for companies with 100+
employees, headquarters and San Jose, CA, the search comes up with 418
results. RefUSA generally only has 50% to 70% of companies in their
database... but this does provide at least some kind of a baseline.
Therefore, my thinking is... probably the limitation of 1,000 clean
(+/-) search engine results is not going to penalize me based on a
narrow geographical search by cities. If we could obtain access to
greater than 1,000 results... all the better.
=================
> One, the term "San Jose, CA" is unnecessarily limiting, because San
Jose and California can be mentioned in different parts of the page...
ANSWER:
My experience from multiple search is that most companies, on whatever
web page they happen to provide their corporate address (which you are
right, is most often not the same web page where the corporate
officers are listed)... list their address as: CITY, STATE
ABBREVIATION (e.g. San Jose, CA). I believe it is safe to say that
California is virtually never fully spelled out when used in the
context of a corporate address... CA is used. The only reason I have
come to the conclusion that it may be necessary to limit searches by
CITIES is due to the 1,000 record limitation imposed by the search
engines... AlltheWeb.com being the exception at 4,010, so I
understand.
If this ASSUMPTION is incorrect, then please show me specifically how
to circumvent this limitation.
====================
> And two, you are running into the MAXIMUM 10 WORD LIMIT imposed by
Google...
Does this query show more adequate results?
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22corporate+management%22+%22San+Jose%22+-resume+-press+-news+-release+-employment+-jobs&btnG=Google+Search
"corporate management" "San Jose" -resume -press -news -release
-employment -jobs
ANSWER:
By omitting "CA" above... the KEYWORDS = 10 words
If my ASSUMPTION is correct... that most corporations use "San Jose,
CA"... then perhaps the search would be strengthened by keeping "San
Jose, CA" and dropping -"NEWS" and -"PRESS" since the keyword
-"RELEASE" might take care of all (3) by association... maybe???
================
> Also, believe it or not, you cannot do the most "Advanced" searching
techniques in Google from the "Google Advanced" page.
ANSWER:
This information would contribute, in part, to complying with
requirement #4, last sentence:
4. Please don't think this is assignment is easy or anyone can answer
it. I want a well laid out response. It must resolve the above
requirements. I EXPECT TO LEARN HIGH-LEVEL SEARCH METHODOLGIES THAT I
DO NOT ALREADY KNOW.
===============
COMMENTS
From: lot-ga on 16 Nov 2002 17:52 PST
[UPPER CASE USED FOR VISUAL EMPHASIS BELOW]
> The pages I located for company officers / directors did not usually
have the city location on the page, usually the web site assigning the
city and contact details to another page. So using ANY STRATEGY WILL
NOT FILTER PAGES BY THE CITY KEYWORD IF SITS ON A DIFFERENT PAGE to
the officer / director page. There is not yet, to my knowledge any
web search engine that can evaluate a site using KEYWORD WEIGHTING on
MULTIPLE PAGES.
Thank you LOT for the comment... I was not aware of this from any of
the extensive research I have done so far.
You are right, Lot, that CITY, STATE can be associated with multiple
web pages not associated with a HEADQUARTER address. Obviously this is
not an exact science... is there a better search QUALIFIER available
without the downside?
QUESTION:
What is your take on this issue, Hailstorm?
==========================
As an aside, can you shed any light upon why a LOCK was on for so long
from within 10 seconds of posting until the next day?
Posted: 15 Nov 2002 19:36 PST
LOCKED: 16 NOV 2002 - sometime in the afternoon
Was a "Researcher" responsible for the LOCK or was it Google Answers?
The FAQ does not discuss a LOCK situation anything like this.
ANSWER-EDITORS has not yet provided the professional courtesy of an
intelligent reply.
=============
Please keep the PRIMARY GOAL in mind:
Spell out SE keyword search methodologies that will yield highly
TARGETED SEARCH results for:
1. Corporate websites that list their CORPORATE OFFICERS on a web page
(e.g. aboutus.htm; contactus.htm; management.htm; etc.)
(e.g. Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Chief Financial Officer (CFO),
etc.)
Also important...
Timing:
I would like a response within 3 days. Don't rush your response - I
would rather wait than have an incomplete or inadequate that I need to
disqualify.
Hailstorm, I hope the above adequately addresses your questions.
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
16 Nov 2002 22:37 PST
Is DEEP WEB MINING a relevant issue regarding this keyword search engine question?
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
19 Nov 2002 14:10 PST
Hello Hailstorm,
I just need a status. Are you in the process of answering this
question after receiving the above response the your questions?
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Request for Question Clarification by
hailstorm-ga
on
19 Nov 2002 14:33 PST
abrandt,
I am still looking into your situation, but at this time I have yet to
formulate any findings into an answer I think you would consider
acceptable. If another researcher wishes to jump in here more quickly,
I would have no issues with that.
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
19 Nov 2002 15:08 PST
Hi Hailstorm,
Thank you for a prompt and honest reply. I needed to verify if you
were still active or not.
If there is a "Researcher" that can astutely resolve this question per
the requirements provided, please do.
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Request for Question Clarification by
webadept-ga
on
22 Nov 2002 12:08 PST
Hi,
I've read this for a while now and despite the apparent problem you
are having with it, there are simple solutions. They don't have much
to do with search engines though.
For instance. Let's say you are looking for a set of manufactures
(this isn't a theory here, I'm actually doing this for another
question) in the US, which make Clothing, Household Goods and Shoes.
You want the contact information for each of these, located by
zipcode/city/state. You also want to make sure that each of the URL's
you find, list the contact information for several people
specifically.
What you are looking for then is Perl and someone who can write using
the Google API. If you are interested in learning more about this or
if you believe I'm on the right track for you, post a reply to this
and I'll tell you more inside the Answer area.
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
22 Nov 2002 16:24 PST
Hello, Webadept-ga.
Thank you for you "Request for Question Clarification"... I had to
read it 2x to begin to understand it.
So I searched Google Answers with the keywords: "perl" "Google API"
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=search&q=%22perl%22+%22Google+API%22&qtype=all&btnG=Google+Search
In all of the cases above, it appears that you personally ran a
customized PERL script and generated a set of positive results that
you provided to your Questioners.
.............
My goal is to conduct a professional B2B email marketing campaign to
the CXO's of the targeted companies (any company large enough to list
their CXO's on a web page... this means mid to large size companies,
effectively filtering out small businesses and SOHO's which does not
fit our target.)
For the purposes of this question project:
1. "I" need the ability to run multiple and variable searches myself.
2. TARGET MARKET: Any and all U.S. and Canadian companies (for now)
with corresponding base URL's + web page URL's that list the CORPORATE
OFFICERS (i.e. CEO, CFO, CTO / CIO).
3. OPTIONAL: CXO contact names, titles and email addresses.
(I currently have the ability to extract this data from a URL
utilizing another software application... however if this capability
were built in, it would save me a step.
4. The next question is, which search engine API to use?
- Google (limit: 1,000 results)
- AlltheWeb (limit: 4,010 results)
Webadept-ga, if interested, I am very happy to consider your take on
this.
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Request for Question Clarification by
webadept-ga
on
22 Nov 2002 18:45 PST
Hi,
I am a bit confused now. I've read your parts here :
For the purposes of this question project:
1. "I" need the ability to run multiple and variable searches myself.
2. TARGET MARKET: Any and all U.S. and Canadian companies (for now)
with corresponding base URL's + web page URL's that list the CORPORATE
OFFICERS (i.e. CEO, CFO, CTO / CIO).
3. OPTIONAL: CXO contact names, titles and email addresses.
(I currently have the ability to extract this data from a URL
utilizing another software application... however if this capability
were built in, it would save me a step.
4. The next question is, which search engine API to use?
- Google (limit: 1,000 results)
- AlltheWeb (limit: 4,010 results)
If you are asking that I create this program for you at your current
bid, then I need to decline and appologize that I have butted in. If
you are asking for a description of how to make this program, a "plan
of creation" as it were, with specific ideas, concepts, and some
advice from someone who has done this before, for the current bid,
then I would be happy to do this, and could give you enough that you
could then hire a programmer with the confidence that you and she
would understand the needs and how it would be created.
By the way, your question was oringially locked by a bot from GA
because you used the word "Google" in your question.
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Clarification of Question by
abrandt-ga
on
23 Nov 2002 10:00 PST
Hello Webadept-ga,
> If you are asking that I create this program for you at your current
bid, then I need to decline and appologize that I have butted in.
abrandt-ga: WRONG CONCLUSION? It seemed fairly evident from having
read your previous (keywords: "perl" "Google API" ) ANSWERS at:
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=search&q=%22perl%22+%22Google+API%22&qtype=all&btnG=Google+Search
that you have the tool, skills and experience to rapidly tweak the
configuration of your PERL script and whip out a solution.
> If you are asking for a description of how to make this program, a
"plan
of creation" as it were, with specific ideas, concepts, and some
advice from someone who has done this before, for the current bid,
then I would be happy to do this, and could give you enough that you
could then hire a programmer with the confidence that you and she
would understand the needs and how it would be created.
abrandt-ga: WRONG CONCLUSION? (see above)
Personally, this is where I think TIPS comes to play... however it
appears this question is not going to be tackled at GA... If a
"Researcher" can not get me over the hump on this one, I will "CLOSE
QUESTION" on Tuesday morning, 11/26.
I appreciate your trying.
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