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Q: Cessna 172: Different over the years. ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
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Subject: Cessna 172: Different over the years.
Category: Sports and Recreation
Asked by: clicker5-ga
List Price: $15.00
Posted: 15 Nov 2002 21:00 PST
Expires: 15 Dec 2002 21:00 PST
Question ID: 108712
Over the years, I have read many articles about the Cessna 172
airplane.

However – I am puzzled when the 172 is stated as C172, or 172N, or
more recently in the latest models manufactured, they call them 172SP.

Over the years, how many different models of the 172 were built, and
what is the difference, and the horsepower of the various models?
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Subject: Re: Cessna 172: Different over the years.
Answered By: missy-ga on 15 Nov 2002 23:39 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi Clicker5!

You're apparently not the only one interested in this subject!  Would
you believe that I found a complete Cessna history, from 1956 - 1986,
including "version changes"?

Here's a brief summary (copyright restrictions prohibit me from
reproducing the entire page here):

Different models of Cessna 172 - Model, years produced, engine power.
:

Model 172 - 1956 - 1959  145HP engine
Model 172A - 1960        145HP engine
Model 172B - 1961        145HP engine
Model 172C - 1962        145HP engine
Model 172D - 1963        145HP engine
Model 172E - 1964        145HP engine
Model 172F - 1965        145HP engine
Model 172G - 1966        145HP engine
Model 172H - 1967        145HP engine
Model 172I - 1968        150HP engine
Model 172K - 1969 - 1970  150HP engine
Model 172L - 1971 - 1972  150HP engine
Model 172M - 1973 - 1976  150HP engine
Model 172N - 1977 - 1980  160HP engine
Model 172P - 1981 - 1986  160HP engine

You can see a detailed list of all of the changes made from year to
year and model to model at the Australian Cessna Register, maintained
by Cessna 172 enthusiasts:

The Australian Cessna Register - Cessna 172 History
http://www.skycam.com.au/172/172history.html

The Aviation Checkbook lists the following additional models:

Cessna 172n / 180 HP / FP Prop
Cessna 172 r
Cessna 172 RG
Cessna 172 s/SP

Apparently, there is also a 180 HP N model.  Wow! :)  (Don't mind me,
I adore airplanes.)

The Aviation Checkbook
http://www.checkmateaviation.com/Products/CheckBook/Models/models.html

To try to track down information on the models not included by the
Australian Cessna Register, I went right to Cessna.com and found:

Skyhawk Model 172R - 160HP engine
http://skyhawk.cessna.com/specs.chtml
http://skyhawk.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml

Skyhawk Model 172S - 180HP engine
http://skyhawksp.cessna.com/specs.chtml

Searching a bit further found:

Skyhawk Model 172SP - 180HP engine
http://www.onehonestengine.com/sales/99_172/specs.html
http://skyhawksp.cessna.com/spec_perf.chtml

Model 172RG - 180HP engine
http://www.cospilot.com/aircraft/C172RG/specifications.htm

I hope this is the information you were looking for!  If you need
further assistance, please ask.  I'll be glad to help!

--Missy

Search terms: [ Cessna 172 History ], then on [ "model number" specs ]
for missing models.  And of course, the ObVisit to Cessna.com.

Request for Answer Clarification by clicker5-ga on 16 Nov 2002 00:23 PST
Hello missy-ga:

On the most recent models, the information states 172 S, and also 172 SP. 
Do you know the difference, between 172 S and 172 SP?  
Perhaps, I missed it when I read the tremendous amount of material. 

clicker5-ga

Clarification of Answer by missy-ga on 16 Nov 2002 08:08 PST
Good morning!

I've searched a bit more on [ "Cessna 172" specs ], and every page has
brought up information about the 172SP, but no mention of the 172S.

Even a page dealing with Lycoming Manufacturing Company (which makes
Cessna engines) only mentions the "Cessna 172s Skyhawk SP", and one
from Plane and Pilot Magazine gives the SP specs as coming from the
"Cessna 172 Information manual:

Lycoming, Avco Lycoming, Textron Lycoming  (near the bottom)
http://home.adelphia.net/~aeroengine/Lycoming.html

Cessna Skyhawk SP
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/specs/2002/cessnaskyhawksp.html

I suspect they may be the same plane.

I've sent e-mail to Cessna to ask for confirmation of this, as I've
not been able to find any separate references on the web at all.  I
ask your patience, it may take Cessna a day or two to get back to me.

--Missy

Request for Answer Clarification by clicker5-ga on 16 Nov 2002 12:40 PST
Thank you missy-ga:

I appreciate the time and effort you are putting in on this.  
When we are completed, I most certainly will give you a 5 star rating.

Also, perhaps, someone will make a comment on the difference of the
172 S, and the 172 SP.

Any and all comments are welcome.

Clicker5-ga

Clarification of Answer by missy-ga on 18 Nov 2002 09:01 PST
Hi again!

I spoke with a representative at Cessna this morning, and asked her
for the difference between the Cessna 172S and the 172SP.  She could
find no specs for an "S" model!

According to the specs she has, the SP ("Special Performance") is a
souped up version of the R - it has 20HP more and 100 pounds more
useful load.  She suspects that in the numerous write-ups that have
appeared, some have referred to the SP as the S.  The S and SP appear
to be just two different names for the same plane.

She faxed the SP specs to me that appear to confirm this.  I've
converted them to .JPG images for you to download and inspect for
yourself.

Page 1
http://www.darkfriends.net/princessmoo/extras/SkyHawk0001.jpg

Page 2
http://www.darkfriends.net/princessmoo/extras/SkyHawk0002.jpg

(They are large images, but necessarily so to be able to read the
print.)

I hope this clears things up for you!

--Missy

Clarification of Answer by missy-ga on 18 Nov 2002 09:46 PST
One more from me, then I'll stop, I promise!

Just received confirmation from Stephanie at Cessna:

"To: "'missy@[elided]" 

Hello Missy,

Regarding the question you asked, the 172S and the 172SP refer to the same
model.

Sincerely,

Stephanie

Stephanie L. Davis
Dept 404, Sales & Marketing
2603 S. Hoover Rd, Annex 4
Wichita, KS 67212
316-517-2233
sldavis@cessna.textron.com"

Thanks for your question!  I had fun playing in airplane specs!

--Missy
clicker5-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Hi missy :

Thank you for all of the information.  
You deserve more than 5 stars.
Can I say 5+ stars?  Anyway, thank you.

Also, thank you to weisstho-ga, for the comment.  
Everything was pointed to the answer.

Clicker5


PS: I sure hope Google Answers stays around forever.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Cessna 172: Different over the years.
From: weisstho-ga on 16 Nov 2002 15:45 PST
 
SEE http://se.cessna.com/

It APPEARS that the basic 172 offering is the model 172-R, but the
more luxurious model is the 172-SP (S comes after R?) and it appears
that the P is for the extra power. The 172R is the basic 160HP engine
vs the 172SP is 180SP - both have fixed pitch propellers.   The 172SP
has some nice interior upgrades.

Your initial question queried C172 - that merely means a Cessna 172;
BE35 is the Beechcraft Model 35 v-Tail; B727 is the Boeing 727;
PA28-200R is the Piper Model 28, 200 HP with retractable gear (the
"Arrow").

Good work Missy!!

weisstho-ga, CFI-AIM

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