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Subject:
Landscape Architectural Website.
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: algerobie-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
16 Nov 2002 08:22 PST
Expires: 16 Dec 2002 08:22 PST Question ID: 108874 |
A website costing many thousands of dollars was launched over a year ago: www.blakelyla.com. It doesn't show up on any search on Goggle, yet a This Old House Online project which included this architect (Jeff Blakely) was available on Goggle during the projects airing. How do you get listed or linked to Goggle? Is there a fee? Where is it listed ? This is very troubling since no one can find the website (www.blakelyla.com), without being emailed or given the web address verbally or in correspondence. Somehow corporations or individuals must be able to contact Goggle for a listing contemporaneous with Art or Theartre openings (example) or activities having a limited life or date of applicability....how do they do it? |
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Re: Landscape Architectural Website.
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 16 Nov 2002 10:54 PST Rated: ![]() |
algerobie... There are many questions archived in Google Answers which address this same concern. You can search from Google Answers' homepage: https://answers.google.com/answers/main Terms such as "Google listing" https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=search&q=%22Google+listing%22&qtype=all&btnG=Google+Search or, listing Google https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=search&q=listing+Google&qtype=all&btnG=Google+Search or "Google ranking" https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=search&q=%22Google+ranking%22&qtype=all&btnG=Google+Search or "page ranking" https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=search&q=%22page+ranking%22&qtype=all ...will produce numerous links to questions with answers that are highly relevant to your query, such as the following: "How to get my page in a Search engine result and that too at the top?" https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=75462 "Listing with Google" https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=55306 "Site Not Showing Up on Google...Site Ranking? https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=102261 "Listing on Google" https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=66429 ...and so on. This last answer cites the LinkPopularity.com website, which determines the number of links referring to your website from other websites. This is a key factor in whether a search engine will pick you up. The LinkPopularity site is here: http://www.linkpopularity.com/ ...and entering your site address produces this result page: http://www.linkpopularity.com/linkpop.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blakelyla.com&ref=&a=1&name.x=47&name.y=22 It indicates that you have no links from other sites, and a quick look at your site (which is VERY well done by the way), shows that you have equally few links referring to other sites. The answer to the following question will also help you to understand whether Google has "crawled' your site: "How do you know when a site has beed crawled and indexed by Google?" https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=59074 On the lighter side, you may want to read about Google's explanation of its page-ranking technology, called PigeonRank: http://catalogs.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html After you've stopped laughing, you can get back to business by having a look at Google's pages of FAQs for webmasters: ://www.google.com/webmasters/ And you can submit your site to Google here: ://www.google.com/addurl.html Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that the answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog with the researcher through the "Request for Clarification" process. sublime1-ga |
algerobie-ga
rated this answer:![]() Thank you ....I learned alot about the process of being listed by a search engine and I appreciate those that added to the first answer...many thanks to all of you ( Journalist-ga, and aceresearcher-ga) ,for your attention and time spend in crafting your lengthy answers for a layman to comprehend. |
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Subject:
Re: Landscape Architectural Website.
From: journalist-ga on 16 Nov 2002 12:30 PST |
Greetings! I had queried my fellow researchers regarding your question as I could not ascertain the answer and AceResearcher-ga suggested that this might be your problem. Below is her take on the matter and I hope this helps you in addition to the answer you received: It's my understanding that the Google Search Engine now ignores <meta> tags, and evaluates a site purely by the text on the main page, and on any subpages linked to by the main page. The front page of his website is just a Flash presentation. No actual content. Google probably does not like this. Also, the site uses Frames. Google usually does not like this, either. Try running the customer's site through the Search Engine Spider Simulator tools at: http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/sim_spider.cgi The simulator says no links were spidered. This may provide some enlightenment about his problems. If you do a "view source" and search for "href" (tag that points to additional web pages) on the Flash page, you find only one link: (http://www.blakelyla.com/)index1.htm . The main page after the Flash page is simply a blank page with a pretty quote (no content). If you do a "view source" and search for "href" here, all you find is (http://www.blakelyla.com/)about.htm and http://www.fusedog.com . So, it looks like Google is only looking at pages: http://www.blakelyla.com/blaintro.htm http://www.blakelyla.com/index1.htm http://www.blakelyla.com/about.htm There is very little total text on these pages, and no additional links. One thing that will help them would be to copy the links from http://www.blakelyla.com/navtop.htm into the bottom of their index1.htm page (and at the bottom of each of their other pages as well), in between a <noframes> tag and a </noframes> tag. <noframes> encloses text that you want the user to see if they cannot see the whole, assembled frames page because their browser does not support frames. A browser that supports frames will not show what's inside <noframes> tags, but Google will spider anything inside <noframes> tags. For example: <noframes> <a href="index1.htm">Home</a> <a href="projects.htm">Projects</a> <a href="awards.htm">Awards</a> <a href="about.htm">About Us</a> <a href="contact.htm">Contact</a> <a href="mack.htm">H. Bert and Ruth Mack Meditation Garden</a> <a href="kinsey.htm">Residence Mr. & Mrs. Charles Kinsey</a> <a href="hoak.htm">Residence of Mr. & Mrs. David Hoak</a> </noframes> inserted just above </html> at the bottom of the page. Not making your site viewable to people whose browsers can't handle frames is an extremely big NO-NO in terms of excellent web design. In addition, there is a large body of experts who say that that stupid entry page, Flash or static, should be ditched (even if it DOES have a link to the main page, it's still bad form and design). I totally agree. It's a big waste of my time and bandwidth. If I want to see somebody's site, I don't want them wasting my time with this sort of crap. And for people who are using a dial-up connection (probably a majority of their users), a Flash presentation can take FOREVER to load and run. JUST SAY "NO" TO FLASH ENTRY PORTALS. |
Subject:
Re: Landscape Architectural Website.
From: aceresearcher-ga on 16 Nov 2002 15:41 PST |
hi, algerobie! You have a really beautiful website! Unfortunately, however, a website designer who creates a site that is this unfriendly to Search Engines has done only half the job. Furthermore, I would have to question whether they know the business nearly as well as they say they do. If you truly spent thousands of dollars to have this website created for you, and you missed out on untold number of visitors in the last year because it's being ignored by search engines, I would encourage you to go back to the website design company and negotiate quite forcefully for a refund of at least half the fee. (If your company has a legal counsel, you might want to have them handle it.) If the website design company refuses to make amends, you may want to consider further action. Flash movies can be incredibly impressive, and when this functionality appeared, a lot of people got really excited about it -- and rightly so. Unfortunately, Flash can take a really long time to load, so putting the "skip intro" link on that page doesn't do much good if it doesn't appear until after the page loads. Meanwhile, a potential customer may be sitting there, tapping their fingers and getting frustrated. Many customers, especially those with only the slower dial-up access, would prefer to get right to the "meat" of the site. Balancing a slick, impressive presentation for your site with the need to make it friendly and convenient for your customers is a tricky task. I hope you will be able to have the needed changes made to your website quickly, and that your site is soon overrun with visitors flocking to it from search engines. Best wishes and good luck! aceresearcher |
Subject:
Re: Landscape Architectural Website.
From: aceresearcher-ga on 16 Nov 2002 23:15 PST |
Hello again, algerobie! I just posted a comment on another question that I thought might also be helpful to you, so I am posting it here as well. You are correct that simply submitting your site to search engines may not be enough to actually get it listed. There are a number of key elements that must be incorporated into your website to make it search-engine-friendly and likely to get indexed. Furthermore, there are other elements than you definitely don't want on your website, because they can get you banned from search engines entirely. I would like to caution you that, just because a company that provides website design and/or marketing services SAYS that they know what they're doing, it may not necessarily be true. In fact, we recently had a question posted here by the proprietor of a company promoting itself on its website as an expert in SEO (Search Engine Optimization). Their question was something along the lines of "How do I get my site listed on Google?" Pretty scary, huh? One good way to check the credentials of a company which you are considering hiring to design and/or promote your site is to ask them for a list of at least a dozen clients. Then, take that list and visit every site on it. Check each site to see if there is any sort of "designed by Website Designs, Inc." or "a partner of XYZ Marketing Company", etc. If you can't find on that site any mention of the person/company you are considering hiring, then note the phone number and e-mail address of the company. Also look on the main page for a couple of keywords other than the company's name that would probably not be common to all other similar sites, such as "since 1967" "first and foremost" "for 50 years". While you're on the site, if the company says they designed it, poke around for a bit. See how it looks. Do the pages load fairly quickly? Is the site organized logically? Can you get to any page on the site in 3 clicks or less? Are the graphics pleasing, but not too noisy? Does the site seem to communicate its company's business clearly and concisely? Do all the links work? Then, take your list of phone numbers and e-mail addresses. Call each of these companies and ask them who is doing their web design and/or marketing for them. It is not at all unheard of for less-than-reputable companies claim that they had a hand in certain successful sites, when in fact the owners of those sites have never even heard of the person/company in question. Don't just take their word that this is their work. Verify it. If it turns out that they really ARE responsible for the sites they provided, go out on several search engines and look up each site using common key words that you would expect to bring up that site. For instance, for a mortgage company in Nashville, TN, try various combinations of keywords like "mortgage" "mortgages" "loan" "loans" "home" "homes" "financing" "Nashville" "TN" "Tennessee", and the unusual keywords that you noted while you were visiting the site. If you can't get the site to come up in search engines, try adding the company's name with several of the other keywords. If you still can't get the site to come up this way, the website design/marketing company might not be nearly as good as they say they are. Finally, when you do hire someone, get it in writing in the contract that if your site isn't coming up on search engines within 2 months of its launch, you get a full or partial refund of the fees you paid. If they aren't willing to agree to this, I would say that it's a real red flag about the reputability of the company. I hope this information helps you make your website very successful! Regards, aceresearcher |
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