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Physics
Category: Science > Astronomy Asked by: davidlsmith-ga List Price: $9.50 |
Posted:
17 Nov 2002 13:05 PST
Expires: 19 Nov 2002 05:52 PST Question ID: 109455 |
An Einstein relativity question--assume astronauts leave the solar system at a constant 1G subjective acceleration for the Alpha Centauri system which we will assume is exactly 4 lightyears away. Halfway there, the spaceship turns around and decelerates at a subjective 1G, until it comes to a halt at 4 lightyears. Having forgotten their toothbrushes, the astronauts immediately turn around and do the same thing all over again until they are back in the Solar System. How long will they have been gone by their own clock, and how long by the clock of Earth observers? | |
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Re: Physics
From: flajason-ga on 18 Nov 2002 10:14 PST |
There is a site called The Relativistic Rocket that might get you the answers you need. It is available here: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/rocket.html And also appears to be mirrored in a couple of locations. It has the formulas needed to calculate the times and distances along with the time dilation. Unfortunately my attempt to plug your numbers in came up with some wierd results, so I don't trust my math skills to answer your question. Search used: relativity constant 1g accelerate decelerate |
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Re: Physics
From: rbnn-ga on 18 Nov 2002 12:08 PST |
An interesting question, but these calculations rapidly get *very* complicated and counterintuitive. |
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Re: Physics
From: flajason-ga on 18 Nov 2002 12:17 PST |
Duh, the formula for determining the time for the astronaut was right there in front of me, and is actually fairly easy to figure. The formula is also on that page. Time that the astronauts age = 1.94 * (arccosh (n/1.94 +1) where n = the distance in light years. Here's how to work it on the Windows calculator. (first make sure it's on Scientific under the View menu) For n=4 light years to Alpha Centauri Divide 4 by 1.94, then add 1 Check the boxes for Inv and Hyp, then click the COS button Multiply that by 1.94 4/1.94 = 2.0618... + 1 = 3.0618... arccosh(3.0618) = 1.78436... 1.78436 * 1.94 = 3.4616 years for the astronauts. And of course for the return trip, it would just be doubled to 6.92 years for the time passed on the astronaut's clocks. I'm still having difficulty getting the time from the Earth perspective. If I have a breakthrough on that front, I'll let you know. |
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Re: Physics
From: flajason-ga on 18 Nov 2002 12:55 PST |
Ok, pretty sure I've got it now... Using the formula on that page and solving for t t = c/a * (sinh (a/c)*T) c = 1 ly a = 1.03 ly/ly^2 (1G acceleration) T = time as experienced by the astronaut's clock Since they are accelerating halfway there and decelerating the rest of the way at the same rate, we can divide their time in half as to how long it takes to get there. 3.4616 years to Alpha Centauri / 2 = 1.7308 years to the halfway point (T). t = 1/1.03 * (sinh (1.03/1 * (1.7308)) t = 2.8 years Earth time for the astronauts to reach the halfway point Double that for their deceleration = 5.6 years Earth time for the astronauts to reach Alpha Centauri Double again for their return trip to earth: 11.2 Earth years So for our intrepid explorers, it took 6.92 years to go there and back according to their clocks, while 11.2 years passed on Earth. |
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Re: Physics
From: davidlsmith-ga on 18 Nov 2002 16:44 PST |
flajason-ga seems to have solved the whole thing, as you can see down below. Can I call his comment my answer and give him the money? I award him 5 stars, this is exactly what I wanted. David Smith |
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Re: Physics
From: flajason-ga on 18 Nov 2002 17:17 PST |
David, Thanks for the kind words. Unfortunately, I am not a Google Researcher so I can't accept the money. I really enjoy this service becuase of people like you who post interesting questions. It gives me a chance to research new topics and ideas that I've never heard of before, or ones that I used to know but have since forgotten. And if I can't find the answer myself, I can usually count on the Google Researchers to get the answer or at least get started in the right direction. I like to learn at least one new thing a day, and this service is a great tool to that end. So this post is what I guess you would call a freebie (aside from the $0.50 listing fee) Regards, Jason |
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