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Subject: early aviation
Category: Reference, Education and News
Asked by: giorgio1-ga
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Posted: 17 Nov 2002 14:27 PST
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Question ID: 109488
Does anyone know if any trace was ever found of 2 female aviators that
took off from the UK to fly to the USA in the 1920s.  One was Princess
Ludwig Loewenstein and the other was Elsie Mackay, they didn't take
off together but both were trying to be the first woman to fly from
east to west across the pond. Both diappeared.  One of them may have
crash landed in Newfoundland area ? I cannot find much written history
on these 2 girls.

Request for Question Clarification by juggler-ga on 17 Nov 2002 15:04 PST
Do you mean Princess Lowenstein-Wertheim?

Clarification of Question by giorgio1-ga on 17 Nov 2002 20:26 PST
Yes it is the same person, I have found variations in the spelling
i.e. Lowenstein and Loewenstein
Answer  
Subject: Re: early aviation
Answered By: nellie_bly-ga on 17 Nov 2002 20:29 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Both of these intrepid women were lost during their attempts to cross
the Atlantic.
Princess Lowenstein-Wertheim may have made it as far as Newfoundland.
Elsie Mackay is believed lost at sea off the coast of England.

Here are links to Lowenstein-Wertheim information. Information on
Macay is posted in my orignal comment.

Princess Lowenstein-Wertheim of Great Britain even then was
bankrolling a flight in which she would be the first woman to fly the
ocean. (The plane was lost at sea.)

http://members.tripod.com/ralphcooper0/eredfern.htm


NAVY VESSELS were solemnly searching the sea for the remains of Old
Glory, Sir John Carling and Royal Windsor in the first terrible week
of September 1927 when Frances Wilson Grayson of Queens announced that
the three fresh air disasters would emphatically not interrupt her own
plans to fly across the Atlantic Ocean. Nearly 20 souls had now been
lost in the brave quest to follow Charles Lindbergh and Clarence
Chamberlin and Richard Byrd, among them the elderly European aviation
patroness Princess Anne of Lowenstein- Wertheim, who had dreamed of
being the first woman to fly the sea, if only as a passenger; now it
was Frances Grayson who would claim the honor.
http://www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/Clippings/99/99.09.16.html


Unsuccessful Record Flights

Goliath --Capt. St. Roman, Commander Mouneyres--St. Louis, Senegal,
for Buenos Aires. White Bird --Capt. Nungesser, Maj. Francois
Coli--Paris, for New York. Miss Doran --Mildred Doran, J. Auggy
Pedlar, Lieut. Vilas R. Knope--Oakland for Honolulu. Golden Eagle
--Jack Frost, Gordon Scott-- Oakland for Honolulu. Dallas Spirit
--Capt. William Erwin, A. H. Eichwaldt--Oakland for Honolulu. Port of
Brunswick --Paul Redfern- -Brunswick, Ga., for Rio de Janeiro. St.
Raphael --Capt. Leslie Hamilton, Col. F. F. Minchin, Princess
Lowenstein-Wertheim-- Upavon, England, for Ottawa, Ont. Sir John
Carling --Capt. Terry Tully, Lieut. James Medcalf--London, Ont., for
London, England Old Glory --Lloyd W. Bertaud, James Dewitt Hill,
Philip Payne--Old Orchard, Me., for Rome. Dawn --Mrs. Florence Grayson
and three male companions. Maine for Nova Scotia, then Europe.
http://www2.worldbook.com/features/aviators/html/av7.htm#otherattempts

30 August 1927
U.K.: Princess Lowenstein-Wertheim decides at the last minute to fly
on the transatlantic flight she is financing.
http://daybyday.dk.com/C20UK/TODAYINHISTORY/30-Aug.htm

The deaths did not end even after Lindbergh’s flight in May 1927.
Before the end of the year, three other planes set out to cross the
Atlantic and did not make it. The first, an east-west flight in a
single engine Fokker called the St. Raphael, took off from England on
August 31, bound for Ottawa. The plane was piloted by two experienced
RAF pilots, Leslie Hamilton and Fred Minchin, and had an illustrious
passenger: Princess Anne Lowenstein-Wertheim. Wertheim was well known
as an intrepid aviator with several records to her credit. She kept
her involvement in the flight secret (mainly because of her
aristocratic family’s objections to her flying career) until just
before boarding. The plane was spotted en route by an oil tanker, and
then disappeared into the Newfoundland fog. For years, searchers
combed the Canadian wilderness for wreckage, but found nothing.

http://www.esparacing.com/Aviation%20history/daredevils/Atlantic%204.htm

Search strategy: women aviation history; women aviation atlantic;
"elsie mackay"; Lowenstein-Wertheim

I also searched for books or magazine articles on either of the two
women but found no further information.

Very interesting topic. I've enjoyed researching it. 

Nellie Bly

Clarification of Answer by nellie_bly-ga on 18 Nov 2002 08:07 PST
If you are interested in early female aviators you might enjoy
Beryl Markham's book "West with the Night" (which was ghost-written by
her third husband).  I particularly enjoyed listening to it as an
audio book.

Beryl Markham was the first pilot to fly the North Atlantic west to
east, starting from England.
She hung about at places like the East African Jockey Club, and the
Muthaiga Club, Kenya. Ernest Hemingway  called the book "bloody
wonderful."  In it,  she describes her life, before and after she took
to the air, and the Africa of that time.


Nellie Bly
giorgio1-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Good response and very fast, it clarifies a lot that I had found
already and I'm now sure that no trace was ever found. Yes it is a
very interesting subject.
Thanks again.

Comments  
Subject: Re: early aviation
From: nellie_bly-ga on 17 Nov 2002 16:29 PST
 
The Mackay story has the makings of a great movie...

Here are a few sites with just enough information to make one want
more.



   The Hon. Elsie Mackay, third daughter of Lord Inchcape and a well
known pilot, aspired to be the first woman across the Atlantic flying
east to west. She denied plans for such a venture, but when Captain
Walter R. Hinchcliffe left England March 13, 1928, for an undisclosed
location in North America, Mackay mysteriously vanished.
  In August, five months after The Endeavor's disappearance, a bottle
washed up on the shores of
North Wales, containing the message, “Goodbye all, Elsie Mackay and
Captain Hinchcliffe. Down in
fog and storm.”
http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:6_uGPzpreYUC:www.k12.nf.ca/sptech/streetpics/mackay.html+%22Elsie+Mackay%27&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8


"Lord Inchcape's daughter was the Hon. Elsie Mackay. She had a Stinson
Detroiter aeroplane called the Endeavour shipped to UK in the
Lusitania and delivered to the now defunct Brooklands motor race
track.

"In spite of the opposition of her father, she schemed with Capt
Hinchliffe, her co-pilot, to be the first woman to fly the Atlantic
east to west. They set off secretly from the RAF College at Cranwell
on Tuesday 13th of March 1928. Five hours later they were sighted
passing over Mizzen Head on the Atlantic coast of County Cork. Two
ships reported sighting a plane out at sea. They were not seen again.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~belgae/ballantr.htm
Subject: Re: early aviation
From: nellie_bly-ga on 17 Nov 2002 16:31 PST
 
missed this in the first post --



Excerpts from Newfoundland Posts and Telegraphs Daily News Journals
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Newspaper-Obits/xxviii2.shtml


In 1928 the Hon. Elsie Mackay, third daughter of the first Earl of
Inchcape, owner of Glenapp Estate, was lost attempting the first
flight across the Atlantic. Her parents expressed a desire to erect a
memorial to her in the Church.
http://www.ballantraeparishchurch.org.uk/Glenapp%20History.htm

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