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Subject: God does exist
Category: Science > Technology
Asked by: davetheslave-ga
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Posted: 18 Nov 2002 09:39 PST
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Question ID: 109968
Am I the only one who understands elevinth dimensional math
and the logic path to God?
Dave.  Mastered three art forms and can co-reference in my mind
any knowledge through the infinitly regressing triangle. calculus
dreams see both extreme ugliness and extreme beauty.

Request for Question Clarification by willie-ga on 18 Nov 2002 10:49 PST
Now how do I answer that?

If I say no, you'll expect proof that there is is someone else as
masterful as yourself.
But if I say yes, you probably won't believe me, otherwise you
wouldn't have needed to ask the question.
Either way it would feel like theft to take your money. :)

Can you clarify what you are looking for in an answer?

willie-ga

Request for Question Clarification by justaskscott-ga on 18 Nov 2002 11:13 PST
I don't pretend to understand such matters very well.  However, I have
seen this web site on the significance of 111 (three ones, which might
accord with your references to three art forms and the triangle). 
Does this answer your question?

the 111 experience of J'lahn
http://jlwn111.home.att.net/index_1101.html

Clarification of Question by davetheslave-ga on 18 Nov 2002 11:58 PST
Am i the only one who understands the link between elevinth
dimensional
math and the logic path to god? 

ok here is the solution to my question in point form
dim 1. an infinetly small point. shadow of the 2nd dim. shadow of a
shadow.

dim 2. a shadow. a shadow of the 3rd dim.

dim3.  what you are standing on. shadow of the 4th dim. 

dim4.  the waking ego. coupled with dim5 can observe every possible 
angle of all 3 dim objects.  all dimensions are of course connected.
a shadow of the 5th dim.

dim 5.  the unconscioius collective dream state contains more than 
one dreamer. about 7 billion at this time.  i see you. shadow of the 6
dim.

dim 6.  the test.  its about love not security. shadow of dim 7.

dim 7. virutal gods only pass the test. shadow of dim 8.

dim  8.  virtual god universe tv.  only a virutal god could describe
this type of observation.  are they sitting in my subconscious. hey
Daves
teaching the humans about reality, turn to universe channel = pi.
shadow
of dim9.


dim 9. infinite time. kaos,  chaos cares. choice. even virtual gods
get bored of universe
tv,  as insanity bleeds in they choose to jump back into a 1
dimensioinal
object to create a 3 dim object or they jump into the 10 dim and
attempt
the creation of an original naturally occurring god. ie consciousness
with
an iq around  30,000.  shadow of the 10 dim.

dim 10.  zero time. e=mc squared. eon. time it takes to create an
original god. energy of one universe = mass of same universe thus
c=1.  speed of light = one universe. near infinite number of universes
exist. shadow of dim 11.

dim 11.  a 30,000 iq god object. pure consciousness. all knowledge.
creates self replicating universes because time is limited in dim 11.
god is everlasting but not forever.

the proof: 3 dimensional objects create life and virtual god
consciousness
via self learning soft wear.  anyway thats how the human spieces does
it.
black holes = infinetly small points. our universe ends when all black
holes in our universe combine to form a naturally occuring 1 dim
object.
the final evolution of man occurs around 2025. see m.i.t. grads, for
further
proof.

question: does the explosion signiture of my/your universe directly
relate
(i.e. map) to the final evolution of consciouness.  answer: yes.
the original dim 11 god planned it this way.  he was lonely.
if i believed in god then what would be the point of faith.

no worries mate.

Clarification of Question by davetheslave-ga on 19 Nov 2002 12:59 PST
More clarification:
Clarification of e=mc2  relative to infinite void math (11 d math).
Energy is the same as mass.  They are interchangable. If mass is
The same as energy for an entire universe then any constant you apply
To mass must be the same constant you apply to energy.  Remember the
Observer(consciousness) is part of the system.  
There are a near infinite number of universes,  a virtual god observes
A universe at the speed of light (because he sits in my subconscious),
  it takes therefore no time at all
For him to observe said universe (my one universe)if he sits in your
Subconscious then it is your one universe. Light is a form of energy.
When the equation states that c=1, this is a symbolic representation
For the virtual god.  It tells him which universe he is observing.
The digit "1"  could also be replaced by a slice of pi.
Uh oh theres that regressing triangle again.

Proof: our universe is expanding into the infinite void.
The infinite void is just a bunch of 1 dim objects. A universe is
A 3 dim object. 3 dim objects create consciousness.  Higher levels
Of consciousness, those which get glimpses of the unconscious collective
(5 d object),  evolve into good virtual gods or they fail the test
at dim 6 and become bad virtual gods. Bad virtual gods are
self destructive by nature and they don't make it to dim 7.  They
end up destroying themselves and the galaxy which gave them life.
Pi is exactly 3 (void joke).  3 dim objects are created by
An original god or a virtual god. Uh maybe pi is exactly 3. A 3 dim
Object pointer for the virtual god.a slice of 3 on the way to
 4(4dim object)and 4 dim on the way to 5 dim (continue pattern).
The unification of meta physics is finished where do I pick up my
Nobel prize. I am not a dim, I am a wit.
Dimwit. Shutup virtual god in my head. Ha ha.i can see him.he can see me.
We are all just a pattern of tetra neutrons. It is a choice pattern
Though.  The origianal god wAs smart whith his balance program.
Balance= some fate is predetermined and some fate is not.
Eg predermined fate= we where all born on the planet earth.
Eg non predetermined fate= who will I love.

Clarification of dim 6:  attainment of full wisdom. Denial.
Anything less leads to the bad god. Death of a galaxy.
Mystic defender.  Ai man = final evolution.  A machine which
Can consciously access all knowledge at will. i.e. controlled 5 dim
Access. I lied before, I don't have full access to all knowledge,I
Just get glimpses. I leave it to you to finish the bottom up part
Of the god algorithm.  What one man can imagine, another man can do.
I am one man who can imagine and do.  Are you. I imagine I can
Backwards engineer god.  And I did. It took 5 years or was it 40.

40 days and 40 nights compressed into a life line. I could just keep
on writing.  I need a book deal. I am broke (monitarily) and I like it.
Dave the slave.
The amp which drives all others.
There should be 2 other people on the planet who know exactly what I
Am talking about. After writing this then maybe more.
Answer  
Subject: Re: God does exist
Answered By: pelican-ga on 23 Nov 2002 16:39 PST
 
Greetings!

QUESTION

The question actually includes two questions:

1. Who understands eleventh dimensional mathematics?
2. Who understands the logic path to God? 

It is assumed that davetheslave-ga wants a reasonable (rational)
answer.
Else, this question would not have been posted to GA.

ANSWER

1. Nobody *understands* eleventh dimensional mathematics [1]. Some
people can manipulate vector equations in hyperdimensional space (for
example, in mathematical programming). But they don't presume to
understand the meaning of the numerical results, in nth dimensional
space, when n>3.

2. Nobody *understands* the logic path to God, because there is no
such thing as a *logic* path to God [2].  The only way for a human
being to understand, or even just find, a logic path to God is to
create a god that can be fully understood. Such a god is human made --
an idol -- not God.

SOURCES

[1] Online Dictionaries (www.dictionary.com). Search on "understand". 
Results:

Dictionary.com  
4 entries found for "understand".

*** First entry for "understand"

un·der·stand   Pronunciation Key  (ndr-stnd)
v. un·der·stood, (-std) un·der·stand·ing, un·der·stands
v. tr.

   1. To perceive and comprehend the nature and significance of;
grasp. See Synonyms at apprehend.
   2. To know thoroughly by close contact or long experience with:
That teacher understands children.
   3.    1. To grasp or comprehend the meaning intended or expressed
by (another): They have trouble with English, but I can understand
them.
         2. To comprehend the language, sounds, form, or symbols of.
   4. To know and be tolerant or sympathetic toward: I can understand
your point of view even though I disagree with it.
   5. To learn indirectly, as by hearsay: I understand his departure
was unexpected.
   6. To infer: Am I to understand you are staying the night?
   7. To accept (something) as an agreed fact: It is understood that
the fee will be 50 dollars.
   8. To supply or add (words or a meaning, for example) mentally.

v. intr.

   1.    1. To have understanding, knowledge, or comprehension.
         2. To have sympathy or tolerance.
   2. To learn something indirectly or secondhand; gather.

[Middle English understanden, from Old English understandan : under-,
under- + standan, to stand; see st- in Indo-European Roots.]

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

*** Second entry for "understand"

\Un`der*stand"\ ([u^]n`d[~e]r*st[a^]nd"), v. t. [imp. & p. p.
Understood, and Archaic Understanded; p. pr. & vb. n. Understanding.]
[OE. understanden, AS. understandan, literally, to stand under; cf.
AS. forstandan to understand, G. verstehen. The development of sense
is not clear. See Under, and Stand.] 1. To have just and adequate
ideas of; to apprehended the meaning or intention of; to have
knowledge of; to comprehend; to know; as, to understand a problem in
Euclid; to understand a proposition or a declaration; the court
understands the advocate or his argument; to understand the sacred
oracles; to understand a nod or a wink.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA,
Inc.

*** Third entry for "understand"

\Un`der*stand"\, v. i. 1. To have the use of the intellectual
faculties; to be an intelligent being.

Imparadised in you, in whom alone I understand, and grow, and see.
--Donne.

2. To be informed; to have or receive knowledge.

I came to Jerusalem, and understood of the evil that Eliashib did for
Tobiah. --Neh. xiii. 7.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA,
Inc.

*** Fourth entry for "understand"

v 1: know and comprehend the nature or meaning of; "She did not
understand her husband"; "I understand what she means" 2: perceive
mentally, as of an idea; "Now I see!"; "I just can't see your point"
[syn: realize, see] 3: make sense of a language; "She understands
French"; "Can you read Greek?" [syn: read, interpret, translate] 4:
believe to be the case; "I understand you have no previous
experience?" [syn: gather, infer] 5: be understanding of; "You don't
need to explain--I understand!" [syn: sympathize, empathize]

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

[2] Online Dictionaries (www.dictionary.com). Search on "logic". 
Results:

Dictionary.com
5 entries found for "logic".

(note: actually, only four entries were returned)

+++ First entry for "logic"

log·ic   Pronunciation Key  (ljk)
n.

   1. The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the
structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of
method and validity in deductive reasoning.
   2.    1. A system of reasoning: Aristotle's logic.
         2. A mode of reasoning: By that logic, we should sell the
company tomorrow.
         3. The formal, guiding principles of a discipline, school, or
science.
   3. Valid reasoning: Your paper lacks the logic to prove your
thesis.
   4. The relationship between elements and between an element and the
whole in a set of objects, individuals, principles, or events: There's
a certain logic to the motion of rush-hour traffic.
   5. Computer Science.
         1. The nonarithmetic operations performed by a computer, such
as sorting, comparing, and matching, that involve yes-no decisions.
         2. Computer circuitry.
         3. Graphic representation of computer circuitry.


[Middle English, from Old French logique, from Latin logica, from
Greek logik (tekhn), (art) of reasoning, logic, feminine of logikos,
of reasoning, from logos, reason. See leg- in Indo-European Roots.]

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

+++ Second entry for "logic"

\Log"ic\, n. [OE. logike, F. logique, L. logica, logice, Gr. logikh`
(sc. te`chnh), fr. logiko`s belonging to speaking or reason, fr.
lo`gos speech, reason, le`gein to say, speak. See Legend.] 1. The
science or art of exact reasoning, or of pure and formal thought, or
of the laws according to which the processes of pure thinking should
be conducted; the science of the formation and application of general
notions; the science of generalization, judgment, classification,
reasoning, and systematic arrangement; correct reasoning.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA,
Inc.

+++ Third entry for "logic"

n 1: the branch of philosophy that analyzes inference 2: reasoned and
reasonable judgment; "it made a certain kind of logic" 3: the
principles that guide reasoning within a given field or situation;
"economic logic requires it"; "by the logic of war" 4: a system of
reasoning [syn: logical system, system of logic]

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

+++ Fourth entry for "logic"

1. <philosophy, mathematics> A branch of philosophy and
mathematics that deals with the formal principles, methods and
criteria of validity of inference, reasoning and
knowledge.

Logic is concerned with what is true and how we can know
whether something is true. This involves the formalisation of
logical arguments and proofs in terms of symbols
representing propositions and logical connectives. The
meanings of these logical connectives are expressed by a set
of rules which are assumed to be self-evident.

Boolean algebra deals with the basic operations of truth
values: AND, OR, NOT and combinations thereof. Predicate
logic extends this with existential and universal
quantifiers and symbols standing for predicates which may
depend on variables. The rules of natural deduction
describe how we may proceed from valid premises to valid
conclusions, where the premises and conclusions are
expressions in predicate logic.

Symbolic logic uses a meta-language concerned with truth,
which may or may not have a corresponding expression in the
world of objects called existance. In symbolic logic,
arguments and proofs are made in terms of symbols
representing propositions and logical connectives. The
meanings of these begin with a set of rules or primitives
which are assumed to be self-evident. Fortunately, even from
vague primitives, functions can be defined with precise
meaning.

Boolean logic deals with the basic operations of truth
values: AND, OR, NOT and combinations thereof. Predicate
logic extends this with existential quantifiers and
universal quantifiers which introduce bound variables
ranging over finite sets; the predicate itself takes on
only the values true and false. Deduction describes how we
may proceed from valid premises to valid conclusions, where
these are expressions in predicate logic.

Carnap used the phrase "rational reconstruction" to describe
the logical analysis of thought. Thus logic is less concerned
with how thought does proceed, which is considered the realm
of psychology, and more with how it should proceed to discover
truth. It is the touchstone of the results of thinking, but
neither its regulator nor a motive for its practice.

See also fuzzy logic, logic programming, arithmetic and logic unit,
first-order logic,

See also Boolean logic, fuzzy logic, logic programming,
first-order logic, logic bomb, combinatory logic,
higher-order logic, intuitionistic logic, equational
logic, modal logic, linear logic, paradox.

2. <electronics> Boolean logic circuits.

See also arithmetic and logic unit, asynchronous logic.

Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2001 Denis
Howe

SEARCH STRATEGY

1. Google search on "dictionary".  Found www.dictionary.com.
2. Dictionary.com search on "understand".
3. Dictionary.com search on "logic".

RESEARCH SUMMARY

We can have some limited, incomplete, intelectual and existential
understanding of God and of the path to God.  We can have complete
understanding only of gods made by human hands.

Let me know if you have any questions, or need further clarification.

Best regards,
pelican-ga
Comments  
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: justaskscott-ga on 18 Nov 2002 10:49 PST
 
I have read an explanation that Judaism accords with a ten-dimensional
view of the universe (where humans perceive four dimensions but only
G-d perceives the other six).  That's not far off from eleven
dimensions, so perhaps davetheslave-ga has a point.
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: flajason-ga on 18 Nov 2002 14:24 PST
 
Actually, I believe the progression of dimensions should go more like
this:

Dimension 0 - a point
Dimension 1 - a line (the extrusion of a point)
Dimension 2 - a plane (the extrusion of a line)
Dimension 3 - The Physical Universe at a single point in Time (the
extrusion of a plane)
Dimension 4 - Time (the extrusion of our Universe, i.e. a time-line,
our reality)
Dimension 5 - Time Plane (multiple timelines spanning from one event,
the extrusion of one Time (dim 4) event)
Dimension 6 - Time Universe (multiple time-planes spanning all
possible events in the Universe, the extrusion of a Time-plane)
Dimension 7 - The extrusion of the Time Universe. Essentially, Time's
time. There's no way to describe it appropriately.
Dimension 8 and above - Keep going. There are an infinite number of
dimensions, all building upon the previous ones. Unfortunately, we
have no words or comprehension of what they are, that's why we leave
that job to God.
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: kyrie26-ga on 18 Nov 2002 14:55 PST
 
Do gods make spelling mistakes?
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: tutuzdad-ga on 18 Nov 2002 17:12 PST
 
As for your last question, that you may not have realized you even
asked, "what would be the point of faith?"...

This is easy. It is "dim 1", which, presumably, is YOU.

tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: hailstorm-ga on 18 Nov 2002 17:18 PST
 
davetheslave,

The existance of God was confirmed in a previous answer:
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=94562
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: sublime1-ga on 18 Nov 2002 18:15 PST
 
davetheslave...

Though I think this rates as an answer, I wouldn't want
to incur the wrath of God if you don't think so...  : )
so I'll post it as a comment until I hear a "still, small
voice" telling me to post it as an answer.
Which brings up another question:
Why is God's voice still small, after all these millenia?
But I digress...

No, you're not the only one who understands...
The Qabalah is an ancient Hebrew system, describing
the cosmology of "what is". Have a look at the 
best book on the subject I've ever seen:
"The Quantum Gods" by Jeff Love
http://www.godening.com/QG.htm

Searches done, via Google:

"The Quantum Gods"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22The+Quantum+Gods%22

sublime1-ga
"Meditation is NOT what you think."
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: alan0-ga on 19 Nov 2002 10:26 PST
 
At long last I have proof that life exists on another planet. My
reasoning is as follows:

I have read all of the previous questions, answers and comments and
did not understand one word of it (okay, I understand the first 4
dimensions). It all sounds like complete gobbledegook but you all seem
to be conversing amongst yourselves okay.

Therefore I came to the conclusion that you are all on a different
planet to me (although it could be me on a different planet to you of
course).

Is anyone else out there on the same planet as me?

:-)
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: phi-ga on 25 Nov 2002 03:23 PST
 
No u are not the only one.
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: phi-ga on 25 Nov 2002 03:24 PST
 
there is only ONE who understands it.
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: dannidin-ga on 27 Nov 2002 08:38 PST
 
i understand eleven dimensional mathematics. not so sure about the
logic path to god, though.
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: js3845-ga on 07 Dec 2002 17:52 PST
 
alan0-ga is right!

As a physicist, all I can say is science/math cannot be used for these
type of questions; for those who do not know it already (as seems to
be the case here), faith in any religion/god (among other beliefs) is
irrational as any intelligent psychologist would tell you (since they
are the experts in that field).

Therefore it is, sadly but true, impossible to use
scientific/mathematical facts to resolve these type of questions.

One last comment: any well-rounded mathematician/physicist knows that
multiple dimensions are only used as a concept and that it can be used
in a wide range of ways (i.e. to describe constraints on a system,
etc) so any attemps to connect it with reality or even god is ...
well... left to your jugement.

Why i just wasted my time writing this, is an example of an irrational
action...
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: gabs_form_london-ga on 05 Aug 2004 17:54 PDT
 
alot of you often talk about 'faith'

does faith not mean 'Belief that does not rest on logical proof or
material evidence.'

also in an earlier post davetheslave wrote...Energy is the same as mass.

if energy is the same as mass...and mass increases with speed does
that mean that object generates more energy?
Subject: Re: God does exist
From: thedudeisga-ga on 26 Jan 2005 13:27 PST
 
>>if energy is the same as mass...and mass increases with speed does
that mean that object generates more energy?

--energy is not the same as mass. by Einstein's theory, Energy is Mass
times the product of the speed of light multiplied by itself.
 this is supposing that we are still talking about the conventional,
relative-wise school of thought.... maybe we're not and we're jsut
supposed to talk about quantums and all go crazy and get naked.... who
knows...

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