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Subject: Eliminating Terrorism |or| Safest Place to Live
Category: Relationships and Society
Asked by: lxluthr-ga
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Posted: 19 Nov 2002 00:44 PST
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Question ID: 110459
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I dunno if you guys do humanitarian work, but if anyone out there has
ever wished for end to terrorism and peace in the world, well, I would
absolutely love to hear your ideas.

My question though, is: “What are ways of eliminating terrorism, and how
can these methods be brought into the media spotlight?”

The basic idea is that instead of fighting the people who hold hatred
for us (which doesn't solve anything), why not find the roots of their
hatred, and find ways of giving them hope again. Since you have to
wonder if someone is willing to give their life in order to kill
another, they must have given up all other hope of reaching a
resolution to their conflict.

I’m sure religion could still play a part in this, since I keep
hearing the Muslim faith is one of peace (and that the Christian faith
is one of forgiveness… its too bad Bin Laden wasn’t Christian and Bush
wasn’t Muslim!) but then again neither religions seems to be holding
true to its best values, otherwise Bush would have forgiven Bin Laden,
and Bin Laden would have never attacked. But reality is that Bush is
far from forgiving Bin Laden (or Iraq) because Bin Laden is still
intent of killing the American people (and Iraq, well, Iraq just has
oil, just like the Taliban was blocking a gas pipeline. Source:
http://www.bushwatch.net/bushmoney.htm ).

But it’s even more interesting because in all the Hollywood movies,
the terrorists always demand money or something (either that or
they’re just evil psychopaths). Bush would want the world to think of
terrorists as nothing more then evil psychopaths who want nothing but
blood and terror. Although if the world is going to rid itself of
terrorists, hunting them down cave by cave isn’t going to do us much
good (actually it’ll make the world for my children a very fearful
place, because by then all the children who grew up hating America are
gonna become the next generation of terrorists, avenging their
parents).. Is there no way to put an end to it now?! It's obvious the
US is trying to fix some of it's earlier mistakes (ie Saddam), but
it's obvious that this is going to cause even more damage. Is there no
way for the US to correct it's mistakes without causing more death and
hatred?

In the case that my first question is just a pile of juvenile naiveté,
then I’d like to ask a second question: “Should all hell break loose
in the Middle East, and terrorists/nations gather to oppose the US,
and Armageddon comes and rains on Bush’s parade, where in the world
would be the safest place to live? (not in terms of living standards,
but in terms of being sheltered from hostilities and the falloff
effects of weapons of mass-destruction)

Request for Question Clarification by bananarchy-ga on 19 Nov 2002 11:53 PST
I'm a bit unclear as to how you would like this question answered...
do you want us to speculate on methods of reducing friction between
international powers, do you want us to list methods that would
reduce/eliminate terrorism, or do you want us to speculate on
ideological / theological recourses of terrorism, and how to prevent
them?

Either way, I think you're going to end up with an extremely
subjective answer... if this is what you want, that's fine, but I'd
like to know a few more parameters before I go laundry-listing
terrorism prevention measures.

Clarification of Question by lxluthr-ga on 19 Nov 2002 15:39 PST
I'm really interested in practical means of reducing/eliminating
terrorism. At the moment I haven't heard of any other method of
dealing with terrorism other then Homeland Security and hunting
individual figure heads of terrorist organizations/states. Though both
the Homeland Security and the 'pre-emtive strikes' seem to have
money/energy driven incentives rather then solid terrorism prevention,
and neither one propose a long term plan for reducing the growing
terrorist culture that is brewing in the middle-east.

So the answer I'm looking for (although I'm really just interested in
hearing educated discussion on the matter) is whether there are actual
published (or unpublished) strategies for reducing terrorism in this
world. The second part of the answer could deal with the probability
of this ever happening. And if this probability is zero, then part 3
could deal with what country/location on earth would be the safest to
live in!

(if the answer is subjective from the point of view of one nation,
that's fine as long as the strategies are true and universal in
nature. Since most nations are looking at the US to set precedents in
how to behave, fixing the problem in America seems to be the most
urgent)
Answer  
Subject: Re: Eliminating Terrorism |or| Safest Place to Live
Answered By: mvguy-ga on 20 Nov 2002 08:14 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
I am delighted to see someone asking the questions you're asking. As a
person who believes that nonviolence is almost always preferable to
violence (I'm not a strict pacifist but certainly have sympathies in
that direction), I like you find it dismaying that going to war is
seen as the only way to fight terror.

One thing that President G.W. Bush has cleverly done is to make it
appear that there is only one way to fight terror, and that's his way,
and any other approach is seen as either folly or unpatriotic. 
Fortunately, you and I aren't the only ones would believe there are
better ways.

The thinker I'm most familiar with is Jim Wallis, who heads up
Sojourners, a Christian organization based in Washington, D.C. Wallis
is quite well known in Christian activist circles, and (as far as I
know) he has practiced what he preaches, living among the poor as he
seeks to bring peace and justice to the world.  One thing I have
appreciated about Wallis is that he has thought carefully about the
issues, and he doesn't hesitate to criticize both sides of a conflict.
Too much of the left seems to minimize the atrocities of the
Palestinians, for example, as if it somehow boosts the cause of
nonviolence to ignore the violence of the other side.  But Wallis
recognizes the propensity toward violence and evil of both sides.

All that said, I suggest you look at the online version of the
Sojourners magazine. You'll find articles and discussions on the issue
you raise. Although much of it is from a Christian faith-based
perspective, I'm sure you'll find plenty useful even if you are of
another faith or none.

You'll find the home page of Sojourners here:

SojoNet
http://www.sojo.net/

I believe you will find the following article particularly
informative. I am including some excerpts to give you an idea of
Wallis' thinking on this issue.

Disarm Iraq without War
"Saddam Hussein is not a suicide bomber. Rather, the only consistent
commitment he has ever shown has been to the preservation of his own
power. Those who minimize his evil are morally irresponsible; those
who underestimate his willingness to commit mass murder are making a
serious mistake. But the question is, what's our best response? What
would protect lives in danger rather than threaten even more and
potentially make everything worse?"
"... The international community can either unite in an effective
strategy to isolate, contain, disarm, and ultimately undermine the
brutal and dangerous regime of Saddam Hussein, or simply agree to the
war agenda of the world's last remaining superpower. As for the
reasonable goal of 'regime change,' the Iraqi people themselves must
create the nonviolent civil resistance within their country to help
achieve that goal ..."
http://www.sojo.net/news/index.cfm/action/display_archives/mode/current_opinion/article/CO_091802.html

Also read the following thoughtful article, which is related more
closely to terrorism rather than the pending war on Iraq:

Hard Questions for Peacemakers
"The 'just war' theory has been used and abused to justify far too
many of our wars. This crisis should not turn us to the just war
theory, but rather to a deeper consideration of what peacemaking
means. In the modern world of warfare, where far more civilians die
than soldiers, war has become ethically obsolete as a way of resolving
humankind's inevitable conflicts. Indeed, the number of people,
projects, and institutions experimenting in nonviolent methods of
conflict resolution has been growing steadily over the past decade
with some promising results.
"I am increasingly convinced that the way forward may be found in the
wisdom gained in the practice of conflict resolution and the energy of
a faith-based commitment to peacemaking. For example, most nonviolence
advocates, even pacifists, support the role of police in protecting
people in their neighborhoods. Perhaps it is time to explore a
theology for global police forces, including ethics for the use of
internationally sanctioned enforcement—precisely as an alternative to
war."
http://www.sojo.net/get_connected/index.cfm/mode/display/forum_id/23/action/forums.html

If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you'll also see some
interesting and thoughtful comments. I think you'll enjoy reading it,
as it shows there are people asking the same questions you are.

One of my thoughts on the matter is that the dilemma we face is that
we want a solution that results in the loss of no life.  It is very
easy to argue (as war's supporters do) that nonviolence is
ineffective, because people are going to get killed by madmen like
Hussein.  But the truth also is that war has serious drawbacks,
including the substantial risk of enormous losses of civilian life. 
There really are no easy answers; if militarists want to cite the
shortcomings of nonviolence they should also look at the serious moral
and practical problems raised by going to war.

Like I said, I hope you can read through Sojourners. You'll find a
variety of views from a concerned and intelligent perspective.

In researching your question, I also became familiar with the thinking
of Arun Gandhi of the M.K. Institute for Nonviolence.  Here are some
of his comments:

Terrorism and Nonviolence
"All of this brings us back to the question: How do we respond
nonviolently to terrorism?
"The consequences of a military response are not very rosy. Many
thousands of innocent people will die both here and in the country or
countries we attack. Militancy will increase exponentially and,
ultimately, we will be faced with other more pertinent moral
questions: What will we gain by destroying half the world? Will we be
able to live with a clear conscience?
"We must acknowledge our role in helping to create monsters in the
world, find ways to contain these monsters without hurting more
innocent people, and then redefine our role in the world. I think we
must move from seeking to be respected for our military strength to
being respected for our moral strength."
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11565
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/messages/nov18/gandhi.htm

In addition, here are some other resources I found:

Regime Change without Bloodshed
"Gene Sharp is a staunch proponent of people power. The Boston-based
sociologist is one of a handful of American researchers who say you
can topple a dictator nonviolently even in a country as beleaguered
and politically repressed as Iraq. The researchers’ strategies for
regime change stand in sharp contrast to the Bush administration’s
bloody scenarios -- everything from assassination to a blitzkrieg of
Baghdad -- for ousting Iraqi president Saddam Hussein.
"According to Sharp and his associates, neither sanctions-induced
poverty nor the brutality of Saddam’s dictatorship precludes the
possibility of popular resistance in Iraq. What is necessary there, as
in any country, is good planning based on understanding of the
dynamics of power between oppressor and oppressed."
http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives/111502/111502g.htm

Perspectives on Terrorism and Nonviolence
This page has a long list of links to articles on the subject.  I
haven't read them yet, but I certainly will!
http://www.brc21.org/resources/res_cmnt.html

Nonviolence versus Terrorism
This article lists four strategies of nonviolence that could be used
to counter terrorism.
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/pubs/02sa.html

Global Insecurity in the Twenty-First Century
"In 'Losing Control,' Paul Rogers calls for a radical re-thinking of
western perceptions of security that embraces a willingness to address
the core issues of global insecurity. This acclaimed book has already
become an essential guide for anyone who wishes to understand the
current crisis, with the first edition even predicting accurately how
the United States would respond to a major attack."
http://www.brad.ac.uk/acad/peace/pubs/prblurb.htm
		
198 Methods of Nonviolent Action
There are plenty of activities on this list I wouldn't recommend, but
it is interesting.
http://www.aforcemorepowerful.org/resources/nonViolent198.htm

A Call for Peace with Justice in Responding to Terrorism
There's not much talk of specific solutions here, although a stress is
placed on looking at the root causes of terrorism.
http://www.mindspring.com/~wnpj/terrstmt.htm

Nonviolence after September 11?
"Some understand the Christian vocation to peacemaking after September
11 as a strenuous effort to restrain the evil of alien aggressors, and
to influence them so that they accept the ideals and norms of the
civilized family of nations. Such efforts may be necessary, but not
sufficient to describe peacemaking’s task of countering and
transforming attitudes that encourage violence. To focus solely on
these elements of peacemaking may prevent us from seeing something
else equally basic: the urgency of countering and transforming the
violence dwelling in our own hearts and embodied in the policies we
support. If peacemaking’s task is to drain the swamp of terrorism,
then we must recognize that our own feet are mired in the same morass
of terror and violence."
http://www.elca.org/jle/articles/contemporary_issues/september_11th/article.brandt_brian.html

A Sad Time for America and the World
"Perhaps what is saddest, however, is that the root causes of
terrorism are not being adequately addressed by our government. These
root causes include U.S. presence in the Middle East (to protect the
oil supplies there), the economic sanctions on Iraq, one-sided support
for Israel, economic disparities and oppressive conditions throughout
the world. If we want to reduce terrorism in the world, we must
address these root causes."
http://www.rtis.com/reg/bcs/pol/touchstone/apr02/06.HTM

This should provide you with plenty of reading for the next few days!
To summarize, the approaches recommended are more long-term than
short-term: looking at the root causes of terrorism, calling on the
United States and other major powers to set a moral example, using the
principles of conflict resolution, fighting poverty and other
injustices, and lending support to democratic institutions. The
realists recognize that, at least in the short term, none of these
methods can guarantee that terrorism will be abated.  But the sad fact
is that neither can war.

So where's the safest place to go?  That's a good question.  In
general, isolated rural destinations -- even ones in the United States
-- are probably safer than large cities, which are more likely targets
as well as areas where disease (in the chase of a bioterrorist attack)
could spread more quickly.  There would be any number of countries
where you should be safe if you're in an isolated area. If I had to
leave quickly to go somewhere, I'd probably go to northern Canada. 
It's hard to get much more isolated than that!

There may be no countries that are entirely safe from terrorist
activities. Although Muslim fundamentalist terrorism isn't an issue in
some countries, there are also other types of terrorism, such as
various separatist movements as well as revolutionary groups and drug
lords.  My personal suggestion (probably because I speak Spanish)
would be Costa Rica: It is politically and economically stable with
fairly high living and educational standards for Latin America.  And
since it has a minimal military, it hasn't drawn the wrath of U.S.
enemies even though it is a U.S. ally.  To be safer, though, I'd
suggest staying away from tourist areas where Americans congregate and
perhaps from the capital of San José as well. In fact, wherever you
would go, it would be best to stay away from places where Americans
congregate. You can get an overview of Costa Rica on the following
page:

The World Factbook 2002
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/cs.html

Again, thanks for asking this question. I hope you find the
information enlightening and useful.

Sincerely,

mvguy



Google search: nonviolence terrorism
://www.google.com/search?num=25&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=nonviolence+terrorism&btnG=B%C3%BAsqueda+en+Google
lxluthr-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
wow. I definitly have plenty of reading ahead! Thanks for the
resources! And I especially like your idea about living in Costa Rica!
(I just recently came back from vacation there)

Comments  
Subject: Re: Eliminating Terrorism |or| Safest Place to Live
From: peggy_bill-ga on 19 Nov 2002 12:04 PST
 
Dear lxluthr,

I think your "pile of juvenile naiveté", is very poignant and
appropriate.  But, you are also right that this is an inflammatory
subject.  I too don’t understand how followers of a religion based on
peace can destroy the lives of so many.  Nor, do I understand how
followers of a religion based on forgiveness can then hunt them down
and kill them.

You have hit on an important point, that if someone is willing to die
for their beliefs fighting them is not going to resolve the issue. 
Terrorism is really war without the sanction of an organized
government.  It has a cause, and that cause is not independent of its
victims.  It seems to me that such hatred cannot be simply the ravings
of a madman, but the last ditch efforts of desperate people.  This is
something that should be addressed.  The place to start is by actually
listening to what it is they consider unjust.

It is impossible to rid the world of terrorism.  It only takes one
clever person to do a great deal of damage.  As long as there is one
discontented person, the threat exists.  Nor do I believe that we can
truly protect ourselves from it.

We can take reasonable precautions, certainly.  But, we must always
keep in mind what it is we are giving up for safety.  Benjamin
Franklin said “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”  We must
remain ever vigilant.  If we lose our freedoms as American’s in the
name of fighting terrorists, well, then they have won.

I am of the opinion that the only safe place to be is out of the way. 
That may sound trite, but as an individual I would choose not to live
in a major urban area or in a abode of conspicuous consumption.  I
believe these are the likeliest targets for the modern terrorist.

Thank you for promoting a thoughtful discussion
pba
Subject: Re: Eliminating Terrorism |or| Safest Place to Live
From: funkywizard-ga on 19 Nov 2002 12:46 PST
 
I appreciate your question and in particular agree with your statement
quoted as follows.

"The basic idea is that instead of fighting the people who hold hatred
for us (which doesn't solve anything), why not find the roots of their
hatred, and find ways of giving them hope again."

Unfortunately, I am not up to the task of researching your question,
but wanted to let you know I have considered it and look forward to a
researcher better than I providing a well thought out answer.
Subject: Re: Eliminating Terrorism |or| Safest Place to Live
From: sublime1-ga on 19 Nov 2002 16:54 PST
 
lxluthr...

You might enjoy becoming more familiar with Avatar, which
is the fastest-growing (and most enjoyable) course in 
personal growth on the planet, and is now being delivered
in over 65 countries.

"The mission of Avatar in the world is to catalyze the 
 integration of belief systems.  When we perceive that
 only difference between us is our beliefs, and that
 beliefs can be created or discreated with ease, the 
 right and wrong game will wind down, a co-create game
 will unfold, and world peace will ensue."

The homepage is here:
http://www.avatarepc.com/
and another prolific Avatar site is here:
http://www.avataroverdrive.com/
Subject: Re: Eliminating Terrorism |or| Safest Place to Live
From: steph53-ga on 19 Nov 2002 18:33 PST
 
First of all I am not a Google researcher.
 However, I have done a little  research on terrorists and their
beliefs. The bottom line is their complete faith in their religion and
leaders and unfortunately they will continue to die and kill others
believing in what they were taught.If any one has ever read any in
depth studies on the Muslim religion or the Koran, the terrorists have
taken it one step further in order to enforce their own despicable
actions.
And as for Sublime1's comment, yes I agree that Avatar may be an
amazing tool in catalyzing the integration of belief systems, but
unless Afghanistan or Iraq is one of the 65 countries it is delivered
in, the co- create game cannot unfold with terrorists. My thoughts
only at this unsettling time for the world.
Subject: Re: Eliminating Terrorism |or| Safest Place to Live
From: universal-ga on 24 Aug 2003 08:01 PDT
 
sublime1-ga submitted:

"...You might enjoy becoming more familiar with Avatar, which 
is the fastest-growing (and most enjoyable) course in  
personal growth on the planet, and is now being delivered 
in over 65 countries. 
 
"The mission of Avatar in the world is to catalyze the  
 integration of belief systems.  When we perceive that 
 only difference between us is our beliefs, and that 
 beliefs can be created or discreated with ease, the  
 right and wrong game will wind down, a co-create game 
 will unfold, and world peace will ensue." 
 
The homepage is here: 
http://www.avatarepc.com/ 
and another prolific Avatar site is here: 
http://www.avataroverdrive.com/"


I guess, in my cynical nature about current systems of governance,
interaction, order and "capital," find a little suspect a system that
claims:

Would you like to be free of old restraints that make you unhappy?

• Would you like to align your beliefs with the goals you want to
accomplish?

• Would you like to feel more secure about your ability to conduct
your own life?

• Would you like to experience a higher, wiser, more peaceful
expression of self?

• Would you like to be able to rise above the sorrows and struggles of
the world and see
them for what they really are?

• Would you like to experience the state of consciousness
traditionally described as
enlightenment?

Then, Avatar is for you."

Yet also has a site inundated with "registered trademarks,"
"copyrights," advertising offices, "TM" symbols, "all rights
reserved," etc. etc.

Can one imagine, or example, Jesus, or Buddha taking THEIR versions of
universal teachings and branding them with "Copyright 2003, J. Christ,
Inc.," or "Buddha, (TM), All rights reserved"?

It seems as if Avatar is grounded in the very global systems that have
in large part brought us to the place we are in now in the world, have
in large part sentenced the current modes of "civilization" to the
ignominy that so many "civilizations" have gone to before now.

Then again, let's be honest: I haven't spent minute one in the Avatar
program, and it does seem to be valued by many who are seeking a
different way to be in the world.  That very seeking is in and of
itself valuable, I think.  TO me, though, the litigious and -seemingly
- profit concerns that copyright, trademark, advertising offices, and
the like reflect dim the light that Avatar might cast upon first
glance or encounter...

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