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SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
Category: Relationships and Society > Politics Asked by: toughlover-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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20 Nov 2002 01:16 PST
Expires: 20 Dec 2002 01:16 PST Question ID: 111141 |
Why in God's earth should our president have to deny what's best for the safety of OUR country, because there are undeclaired foreign ajents in congress & in the land, just itching to over-rule and or vote him out of office. One foreign leader was so confident of his strangle-hold on us, that he remarked that he would consider any of said dual citizens, traitors if they agreed with one of our past presidents. |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: mward-ga on 20 Nov 2002 01:54 PST |
Who is 'Our President'?? Don't forget, you're talking to a world-wide audience, and your president is certainly not my president. I make the assumption that you are from the USA - would I be correct here? As for the answer to you question - would somebody born and mostly raised in the USA but has dual citizenship for the UK, for example, be denied this right? What would they have done wrong to be denied one of their basic democratic rights? I think that you're asking an unanswerable question, and all that can be given in reply is opinion. |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: neilzero-ga on 20 Nov 2002 02:42 PST |
Mward is correct I think. There are several ways to become a duel citizen. A few of these people are trouble makers, but our country is worth saving only if we prove, before we punish. This is a costly process which should not be started unless there is probale cause. Even if there are a million such people, and we did stop them from voting, the outcome of elections would rarely be different. Personally, I think that the number of traitors in high places is about as high among Democrats as amoung Republicans. Which do you think is the evil party? I support Libertarians = liberty = lots less government. Neil |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: toughlover-ga on 23 Nov 2002 05:34 PST |
Ok Dr. Ward thank you for your response, and I note that you have a dihard fan in Neal, he always agree with you. May I chide you for failing to observe that the president could be generic in that this rule would be useful for any country. Infact, let me hasten to include priministers or any head of state etc. etc. Point number 2. the rule would be generic with regards to parties also. Dr., Dr., are you telling me that are incapable of handling a delimma like a thue Solomon? The very nature of a delemma denies us an ideal outcome. But a true Solomon, are you ready for this? painfully, tearfully, regretfully, choose the lesser of two evils. I know that you know this concept, but most americans and maybe even most humans, tend to forget, and end up doing nothing, when they encounter two evils to choose from. There is a man upstairs who gives us the example of how the deal with your concern. He says the good sometimes suffers for the bat, or with the bad. You do understand that the constitution has had tho be suspended for the greater good from time to time, as in "no fire in a crowed...", well I would dispise anyone who refuse to sacrifice his vote for the greater good of his country. You know the saying he who wants it all, looses it all. Absolutists who insist on liberty or death, usually end up with both. If everybody died who whoud be left to admire your dignified departure? |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: toughlover-ga on 23 Nov 2002 05:59 PST |
My dear Mr. Zero, Please repeat after me: GENERIC, GENERIC, GENERIC, I did not mention any party, and you misunderstood who is labeling whom, trators. I aluded to a certain foreign leader who remarked that his people who reside in the United States would be trators if they sided with our president. Just try to follow it. The folk who are here enjoying the dual citizenship were forbidden from siding with their own president here against the leader of their second "homeland". Got it? |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: josh_g-ga on 23 Nov 2002 07:29 PST |
Your question was phrased in a very personal voice, referring to "our president", "strangle-hold on us", etc. This does not lead to one reading it as a generic policy question, but rather a question set in the context of where you live. |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: toughlover-ga on 23 Nov 2002 22:44 PST |
Ok Josh, I confess, that I was thinking of our situation here in the US, but that's no reason not to see that "our president" could include future presidents also? And what would prevent you from realizing the universial applicability of the convention. If "I did not know you better" I might conclude that you were encouraging me to join you in splitting hairs. As my friend Barry Farber likes to say, "lets not allow manner to spoil meaning" If we exert all our energy on form, then the substance often suffers. Did you not notice that I sometimes add & or drop characters from some of my words? Couldn't we dwell on those defects (manner) too? How about your take on the meaning of the question itself? |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: sublime1-ga on 23 Nov 2002 23:16 PST |
There are, in my experience, two reasons for asking a question. The first is to obtain information of which one was unaware. The second is to express protest and resentment about the way things are, being priorly convinced of one's own point-of-view, and eager to promote the merits of said point-of-view to those who might attempt a thoughtful response. Which format defines this query? |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: toughlover-ga on 25 Nov 2002 15:56 PST |
Well! Mr.N0.1 Sublime, As my friend POTUS Lincoln once said: I will cling to my views only so long as they appair to be true views. And I am ready willing and able to replace my views with your views, as soon as they shall appair to be truer views. Ind I will consider myself a winner of your views rather than a looser of my views. I believe it's a craven fool who is afraid of being called a "Flip-Flopper.:) So you see El Sublime, my elaberation of my questions only show where I am leaning, but nnot necessarily where I will fall. So, now that you have qualified me, what's your take on the question? |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: sublime1-ga on 25 Nov 2002 16:57 PST |
"The folk who are here enjoying the dual citizenship were forbidden from siding with their own president here against the leader of their second 'homeland'". So we should forbid them to vote, placing us on a par with the one forbidding siding with the president? |
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Re: SHOULDN'T WE DENY DUAL-CITIZENSHIP FOLK THE VOTE IN NATIONAL ELECTIONS?
From: toughlover-ga on 19 Dec 2002 16:53 PST |
Ok, El Sublime, You are right, we should employ every strategy to preserve the safety and prosperity of "We The People". Bad grammar, but I like the ring. In a "utopian world", we could all play sunday school and render unto every man his inalienable right to the persuite of hapiness including the right to jubilantly shout fire in the theater. It is a confounded fool who would prefer to be killed and buried with an unviolated constitution and unstrained benevolence, than to modulate to match the times and circumstances. I myself would much rather survive with the most calculated curtailment of our Constitution, than OBL's version of the Koran. |
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