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Subject: middle name of former baseball owner
Category: Sports and Recreation
Asked by: bluestreak-ga
List Price: $3.00
Posted: 20 Nov 2002 20:07 PST
Expires: 20 Dec 2002 20:07 PST
Question ID: 111723
Samuel Breadon owned the St.Louis Cardinals('20-47). He was born
Jul.26,1876 in NYC and died May 10,1949 in St.Louis,MO. I need his
middle name. I can pay $3.00.
Subject: Re: middle name of former baseball owner
Answered By: johnny_phoenix-ga on 22 Nov 2002 04:46 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
Hi, bluestreak

I had a quick look to see whether any of your other questions had been
answered and they haven't as yet, so I thought I would try another one
and I hope that you don't mind.

You say in another question that you have most of the obituaries for
the owners you are looking for. However, since this is quite a long
obituary, I felt I should really include the link, if only in case you
had missed it.

The Dead Baller

Once again I used the tried and tested methods of looking for his
grave and various searches detailed below in the Search Strategy
section but since the obituary itself gave quite a bit of information,
I tried a few other angles to ensure that a thorough search was done
and also because most of my initial searches would have been going
over ground you no doubt had covered yourself.

The obituary points to his wife Rachel Breadon (noted as the former
Rachel Wilson) and his children - one from a previous marriage.

I therefore searched all his children, his wife using both maiden and
married name and also marriage and divorce records in the hope that
this would reveal his name from either his first or subsequent

There were no details on either of his marriages since most entries
under "Samuel, Sam and S" Breadon are related to his rise from car
salesman to club owner.  I could find no listings for any of his

The obituary also states that his mother was Irish and his father
scottish, so I searched geneology sites in US, UK, Scotland and
Ireland for records and none were found.

Additional Links
I did find him on a St Louis History site and once again, they confirm
his name as Sam Breadon.

Missouri History

I found another listing for his death on a geocities club which
confirms his name.


Search Strategy

"S *wildcard Breadon" "Sam *wildcard Breadon" and "Samuel *Wildcard
Breadon" "Breadon Samuel *" "Breadon Sam *" "Breadon S *"

I certainly don't think that you have missed anything in your own
searches, I believe that he simply did not have a middle name.

I hope this helps 

Johnny Phoenix

Request for Answer Clarification by bluestreak-ga on 22 Nov 2002 08:11 PST
Dear johnny_phoenix,                                                  
         I do like your thorough approach. Your skills can not help
but impress. Won't you take a look at my other requests, such as dates
of birth for former baseball owners, or middle names for Donald L.
Barnes,John W. Allyn,Charles W. Sommers,Joseph J. Lannin.  With your
take-no-prisoners tactics, I'm sure you'd have to find SOMETHING. I'd
be much in your debt.  Sincerely, Bluestreak  I also still need loads
of help on my idols of tap dance searchs. Find them & I'll tip as best
I can.

Request for Answer Clarification by bluestreak-ga on 22 Nov 2002 08:18 PST
Dear Johnny,                                                          
         By the way, I accept your findings on Sam Breadon as

Clarification of Answer by johnny_phoenix-ga on 22 Nov 2002 08:42 PST
Thanks for the compliments bluestreak, since you had already mentioned
you had thoroughly researched these yourself, It has become something
of a personal  mission and crusade to find at least one or more of
these people that do have a middle name.

I have looked at most of the other questions and in truth probably
spent about an hour on each one.

I was hoping that I would have been able to find at least one by now
with a middle name through using multiple and various strategies so
that I could report back to you with at least one name you didn't

Although I am quite happy to go through every single question you have
posted and thoroughly research it, I would hate it if on every single
one I had to report back that they "did not have a middle name"
because essentially you would be paying only for confirmation of what
you know already.

I haven't really looked at the "Idols of Tapdance" properly yet, so I
will have a look at that one over the weekend.

I look forward to finding one I can give you a positive answer

I spent about two hours on the "Shangri-las" question the other day
and still could not find the exact date she died, although it does
appear that 1971 is the accurately reported year.

I will report back to you soon.

Request for Answer Clarification by bluestreak-ga on 22 Nov 2002 11:20 PST
         Kudos, Johnny. I like your approach, attitude & style. Hard
to image stuff you can't find. Let me know if anything turns up. I'm
building a website of stuff that can't be easily found in Total
Baseball. So far on baseball alone I have 71 owners(complete with
middle names, dates & places of births & deaths, and about a paragraph
of career highlights. Same for 35 announcers, 52 managers & coaches,
23 scouts,54 misellaneous execs,commissioners,etc. I also have over
600 sports writers going back to the 1860's. I have also done family
members of baseball Hall of Famers. I completed Cobb,Walter
Johnson,Joe DiMaggio,Honus Wagner,& am still finishing the
Shibes,George Sislers,Eddie Collins,Hornsby,Joe Jackson,Carl
Mays,Connie Mack,Ruth,Ted Williams,Charles Commiskey,Mathewson,and
Mantle. It's obscure and hard. That's why I like it.                  
         My favorite tools are:,SS death index,Master
Genealogy & Biograph Index,Biograph Resourc Center,New York Times
Obituaries Index(both books)and an army of good librarians around the
country to send me obits.Also have a modest library of reference
books. Again keep up the good work.   Bluestreak

Clarification of Answer by johnny_phoenix-ga on 23 Nov 2002 12:32 PST
Cheers very much Bluestreak, I'll keep on ticking away at them.
bluestreak-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $3.00
Johnny_Phoenix did great research digging. I'm closing Sam Breadon question.

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