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Q: the oblative tense in the Greek,or Ancient Greek, language ( Answered 1 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
Subject: the oblative tense in the Greek,or Ancient Greek, language
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Asked by: droveoni75in-ga
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Posted: 21 Nov 2002 00:13 PST
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What is and/or was the Oblative case and/or tense in the Greek and/or
Ancient Greek language?  How can I learn more about the oblative?

Request for Question Clarification by markj-ga on 21 Nov 2002 08:17 PST
Are you sure that the word is "oblative?"  It does not appear to be a
grammatical term.  However,"ablative" is a designation for a case used
in Greek grammar, as well as Latin and later Indo-European languages.


Request for Question Clarification by markj-ga on 21 Nov 2002 08:24 PST
So as not to mislead you, I should point out that the "ablative" case
has apparently not survived in classical or modern Greek, either.

Subject: Re: the oblative tense in the Greek,or Ancient Greek, language
Answered By: hlabadie-ga on 21 Nov 2002 15:46 PST
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You mean oblique, rather than oblative.

Oblique forms are those inflected forms other than the most
fundamental case or tense. Nouns in cases other than the Nominative or
Vocative, which are identical, are in an oblique case. Verbs that are
in a form other than the present indicative are oblique. The original
classification was Aristotle's, but later grammarians restricted the
usage to nouns.

See the Oxford English Dictionary under CASE, 9 Grammar.

Definition of oblique cases in Greek:

In Latin:

The *ablative* case is a catch-all in Latin, but not in Greek, which
has only Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, and Vocative.
Genitive, Dative, and Accusative are oblique cases in  Greek.

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Subject: Re: the oblative tense in the Greek,or Ancient Greek, language
From: tez-ga on 21 Nov 2002 16:12 PST
Hello droveoni75in,

You're definitely looking for a case, not a tense.  And I think I have
found an online text which can give you the further information you
need: _Learning Biblical Koine Greek_

In modern English it is called the ablative case, not the oblative. 
(However, you may find it written as "oblative" in older English
variants, most famously in Joyce's _Finnegan's Wake_:

The ablative case is associated with sources of movement/moving away
(I came back FROM SCHOOL).  The ablative exists as an independent case
in Latin, but Ancient Greek lost the ablative (along with the locative
and instrumental) as a fully independent case, its functions being
absorbed by the dative and genitive cases.  Nevertheless, teachers of
Greek sometimes describe the case of a noun as 'ablative' to identify
that the noun is a source of movement.

Finally, the "ablative absolute" is a Latin construction also commonly
found in Ancient Greek, where it is called the "genitive absolute". 
Students of both languages sometimes call it the ablative absolute in
the context of Ancient Greek, and even linguists do this occasionally
(e.g., Sluiter, I., 2000. 'Seven Grammarians on the Ablative
Absolute', Historiographia Linguistica 27.2/3, 381-416.).

Further resources:

  A good history of case development in various Indo-European
languages, including Latin and Ancient Greek:

  An interesting, informal contrast between the 8-case and 5-case
systems of describing Ancient Greek:

  An online bibliography of Ancient Greek, which includes the Sluiter

  A page devoted to the genitive absolute, and why it is common in


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