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Physic2.s of long jumping
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: hdubin-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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24 Nov 2002 17:34 PST
Expires: 24 Dec 2002 17:34 PST Question ID: 113933 |
What is the physics behind increasing the length of a long jump using weights. Please see the article referenced below: Swinging Long Jumpers By HENRY FOUNTAIN Athletes who can run and jump fast and far spend a lot of time trying to go faster and farther. But performance enhancement is not limited to the modern athlete. In ancient Greece, starting in 708 B.C., Olympic pentathletes received some help for the long jump in the form of halteres, weights of stone or lead that they held in their hands and swung as they jumped. Researchers from Manchester Metropolitan University in England have now determined how much help the halteres provided. By swinging the weights, with a total mass of 4 to 20 pounds, a standing long jumper should have been able to add about 7 inches to a 10-foot jump, they report in the journal Nature. The researchers used software models of jumpers' using halteres of various sizes and actual athletes using halterelike weights. They found that, given the same takeoff speed, swinging the weights forward during the first part of the jump and backward before the landing shifted the center of mass of the jumper, lengthening the parabolic trajectory. Swinging weights, however, might be expected to reduce the takeoff speed and thus the length of the jump. The researchers' model found that to be true, but only when the total weight exceeded about 25 pounds. With halteres weighing about six pounds each, takeoff speed actually increased 2 percent. The researchers suggest that this is because muscle power does not increase in a linear way. Greater force can be achieved at the slower muscle contraction speeds that having to lift a weight will produce. In the study, the optimal weight of a pair of halteres closely matched the weight of specimens that have been found at archaeological sites. |
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Re: Physic2.s of long jumping
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 24 Nov 2002 18:37 PST Rated: |
Dear hdubin-ga; Thank you for allowing me to research your question. The physics behind the use of halteres, as these weights are called, has been known for centuries, In fact, Aristotle himself wrote about them and expounded on his theories, which were surprisingly close to what is actually known by science today. Alberto Minetti, of the Centre for Research Into Human Movement at Manchester Metropolitan University, has studied the use of halteres in depth and has even recreated some the results using ancient methods and modern day subjects. Minetti determined that the ideal weight for a pair of halteres is between 5kg and 6kg, very close to the size of halteres unearthed at various archaeological sites. The use of halteres was very simple. They were swung back and forth by a competitor just before takeoff, allowing for the built of momentum. The competitor would then thrust the halteres directly in front of himself during the first part of the flight. In mid flight the halteres would be swept backward toward the rear just before landing. Minettis study suggested that if a loaded body can take off at the same speed and angle as an unloaded body, the loaded jump should be longer. The loaded jump is longer than an unloaded jump because the competitors center of mass shifts forwards and higher at takeoff, and back, away from the feet, on landing. Some ancient images even depict jumpers throwing, or releasing the halteres prior to landing. In experiments conducted using this method Minetti noted that as the halteres fly backwards, the feet of the jumper move an few centimeters forwards. As the halteres slow dramatically during flight and their position is shifted from front to rear, the jumper simply pushes away from them and releases them. The newly unloaded jumper, whose originally jumped hard enough to propel 5kg to 6 kg more than he actually weighs, suddenly becomes lighter and his center mass shifts much father forward. The brief mid-air push in a sling-shot type fashion from the slowing halteres gives him added forward velocity resulting in a longer jump. You may be able to picture this later concept in your mind my imaging a truck pulling a heavily loaded at 100 mph. If the wagon is suddenly released from the truck, the forward velocity of the truck is significantly, though briefly, increased. This brief increase in speed is all a jumper needs to gain the edge since his flight time is very limited. The relatively small weight of the halteres and the relatively slow speed that a human runner can attain at the height of his speed accounts for the advantage of mere inches rather than several feet. If a human could run much faster while bearing a heavier load of halteres, in theory at least, the advantage would be much more impressive. I hope you find this information useful. I look forward to working with you again in the near future. Best regards; Tutuzdad-ga INFORMATION SOURCES Guardian Unlimited - How the Greeks jumped to it http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/artsandhumanities/story/0,12241,839679,00.html Performance Boosting Goes Back to Ancient Olympics http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/510242.html Weights gave Olympian long-jumpers a hand http://www.nature.com/nsu/021111/021111-8.html National Geographic - Ancient Olympians: Weighted Down to Win http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1114_021114_GreekAthletes.html The Pentathlon http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cl135/Students/Kristina_Angus/pent.html Long Jump (photos of ancient images depicting the jumping process) http://www.hum.utah.edu/~rstewart/jumping.html SEARCH STRATEGY ENGINE USED: Google ://www.google.com SEARCH TERMS: ancient weights long jump physics ancient halteres |
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Re: Physic2.s of long jumping
From: roadrunner_-ga on 26 Nov 2002 21:36 PST |
To tutuzdad. (question id. 113933) You said; "You may be able to picture this later concept in your mind my (I assume you meant *by* instead of "my") imaging (imagining?) a truck pulling a heavily loaded (wagon, I assume) at 100 mph. If the wagon is suddenly released from the truck, the forward velocity of the truck is significantly, though briefly, increased." I have a few questions (and comments). If the wagon is "suddenly released" what accounts for any change in the velocity of the truck? I will assume that the road is straight and level. Does "significantly" depend on the mass of the wagon? It's rolling friction? The mass of the truck? The VELOCITY of the truck? Could it not be GRADUALLY released? What does briefly mean in this case? What is responsible for the cessation of the effect, the possible use of cruise control? (include a digression on inertia here) If for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, wouldn't you then be at pains to describe a significant, though brief, reduction in the forward velocity of the wagon, and then also be responsible to explain why the brief reduction in velocity was at an end, and why it endured for only whatever length of time it did, and the RATE OF CHANGE of velocity both during the onset of the brief interval as well as during it's disappearance at the end of it? Would you then claim that while the athlete is airborne, the halteres are causing him some measure of drag (paralleling [metaphorically speaking] the rolling resistance of the wagon), thus necessating his divesting himself of the disadvantage of them with expedient dispatch, whereby the mere release of them would provide him with a significant, albeit 'brief' impetus, thus affording him a great leap forward? Methinks that Sir Isaac Newton would raise an eyebrow. |
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Re: Physic2.s of long jumping
From: aceresearcher-ga on 27 Nov 2002 06:51 PST |
Greetings, hdubin! Researchers are selected based on their excellent ability to Answer your Questions, rather than ability to deride other Researchers' Answers. I think you will find that tutuzdad has provided you with a well-researched, well-documented, accurate Answer. Best wishes! aceresearcher |
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Re: Physic2.s of long jumping
From: johnny_phoenix-ga on 27 Nov 2002 06:54 PST |
With respect, roadrunner. The question was raised by hdubin and for my money was rearched well and thoroughly by Tutuzdad. As per the google answers pricing guide some might actually say generously researched and the "theory" is one reported on not supported by the researcher. Since theory is one of the foundations of science it was completely within the frame of the question to mention it. To place an answer clarification within a comments box is not really fair to either the researcher or the asker since the question was not initially posed by yourself. Therefore, with the greatest respect roadrunner, if you did have a further question, you should really present this in the form of a question as the terms and conditions of google answers does discourage answering questions for free, it is after all a service. Why not post your comment as a question put a fee on it and we may be able to discuss it further. Take care Johnny Phoenix |
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Re: Physic2.s of long jumping
From: roadrunner_-ga on 29 Nov 2002 20:23 PST |
To aceresearcher; Thank you for your prompt response to the comment I posted a couple of days ago. I had hardly finished reading the first sentence when I began to see the error of my ways. I realized that not only was I making a poor first impression, but I had willfully and arrogantly *derided* someone who hadn't deserved it, but who was likely trying to be imaginative with an example by simplifying a phenomenon into a word picture with common images in it. I apologize for my behaviour, and have learned an embarassing lesson. Thank you for being tactful. roadrunner |
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Re: Physic2.s of long jumping
From: roadrunner_-ga on 29 Nov 2002 20:30 PST |
To Johnny Phoenix; Thank you for an equally prompt response (see above) to my misguided comment. I realize that whatever objection I may have had to whatever I had read, I had no call to treat anyone in such an abrasive a manner. Furthermore I recognize that I was in error by my method, no matter what the rationale may be. As you rightly indicate, this part of the forum is not a place for my dissension, but I may feel free to raise my questions on my own dime, thus preserving the existing high standards of this website. Thank you for being so gentle with me in your chastisement. I would like someday to pose my own questions, but I haven't any plastic money. With respect, Roadrunner |
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Re: Physic2.s of long jumping
From: roadrunner_-ga on 29 Nov 2002 20:58 PST |
To Tutuzdad; I'm sorry for mistreating you the way I did three days ago and I apologize. I was out of line for behaving in such a manner and I have no excuse. I feel fortunate that I wasn't responded to in a like manner. Those who corrected me were very accomodating of my feelings and I learned more than had I been upbraided. I am humbled in the presence of such unflappability and feel undeserving of such consideration. Apologetically, Roadrunner. |
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