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Subject: 7 lowest summits
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: pbrain-ga
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Posted: 25 Nov 2002 23:31 PST
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Question ID: 114737
Dick Bass was the first person to climb "the 7 summits", ie to the
highest point of each continent (although there is some debate amongst
crusty old pedants about whether he picked the right peaks). This idea
caught on, and others started trying the same thing. Soon someone
decided it would be cool to be the first person to climb the second
highest peak on each continent. As you can see, there is a trend
developing here. I want to jump straight to the end of the queue and
climb the 7 lowest summits. And true to the spirit of laziness upon
which this endeavour is based, I want to pay someone else to do the
hard bit and find out what they are. So my question in a nutshell is:
what is the lowest peak on each continent?
For the purpose of this exercise the continents are defined as Asia,
South America, North America, Africa, Europe, Antarctica and
Australia. I don't know what the technical definition of a peak is,
but please note that I don't want to merely go to the point of lowest
elevation on each continent. That would be...well, it would just be
silly.

Request for Question Clarification by easterangel-ga on 26 Nov 2002 00:08 PST
HI! Are looking for the bottom of the heap in the "highest peaks" or
you are really looking for the recorded "lowest peaks", like the
lowest mountain in the world? Just let me know. :)

Request for Question Clarification by johnny_phoenix-ga on 26 Nov 2002 03:41 PST
Hello pbrain, lol sounds like an insult from the start.

First of all, we have to define "peak" as a mountain since, you will
probably not get very much kudos from climbing hills.

In order for a hill to be classed as a mountain, it needs to be above
1000 ft in height.

Landforms
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dougproj/Landforms.htm

So we are looking for the smallest mountain (above 1000 ft) approx 305
metres on each of the seven continents.

This is impossible, I'm afraid to say since there are thousands upon
thousands of peaks and ranges that are around 1000 ft and most of them
haven't even been measured.

Plus many countries claim to have the smallest mountain in the world,
but some of them have different ideas about the difference between a
hill and a mountain.

For example one of them claims to have the smallest mountain in the
world even though it is only 43 metres high and therefore cannot be
classed as a mountain.

You could however still achieve your dream by being the first to climb
the tenth highest peaks on each continent?

Request for Question Clarification by authorshelper-ga on 26 Nov 2002 15:36 PST
If JP's "10th highest on each continent" suggestion doesn't do it for
you, how about the lowest recognized (named or at least measured) peak
in each continents' most prominent mountain ranges?  For example, in
North America you'd look at the Rockies, Cascades, Sierra Nevada, plus
ranges in Canada and Alaska...as a group...and try to find the lowest
point considered a "peak" in all of them put together.

Did that make any sense at all? :)

This approach would eliminate all the wannabe hills masquerading as
"mountains" and also maintain the association between the peaks you're
climbing and the ones those overachievers have set their sights on.
 
Just trying to help you out here...AH ;)

Clarification of Question by pbrain-ga on 26 Nov 2002 17:11 PST
easterangel - I am indeed looking for the lowest peaks, as opposed to
the lowest highest peaks. Although it appears I may have to raise my
sights.

johnny_phoenix - Good points. The website seems to imply that I could
build my own mountain out of modelling clay, although this might be
logistically difficult. 10th highest still sounds a bit strenuous.

authorshelper - excellent suggestion. 

lets redefine the question as:
"the lowest recognized (named or at least measured) peak in each
continents' most prominent mountain ranges"

Request for Question Clarification by digsalot-ga on 26 Nov 2002 17:59 PST
Now it seems to me that people living in any given area would know
what they consider a "mount" or mountain and what they do not.  If a
small settlement on top of a bump in the road in the middle of the
Great Plains is called "Mt. Idy. then to the local people, that bump
on the plain is Mount Idy.  By walking through town, you will have
scaled one flank, made an unassisted crossing of the summit, and
without advance reconnoitering, descended the far flank.  You have
just added Mt. Idy to your list of intercontinental climbing
conquests.  And you can proove it.  It's right there on the map.  See
- it says MT. Idy.

Simply find the lowest elevation on any continent that's called
"Mount" or "Mt." something or other, then go climb in safety.

Would that kind of list be anyhelp?

Clarification of Question by pbrain-ga on 26 Nov 2002 18:57 PST
digsalot - a list like that would definitely do the trick.

It has also been suggested that I descend to the highest point of the
largest underwater mountain in every sea. I relate this merely as an
aside - a man can only do so much.

Request for Question Clarification by hailstorm-ga on 26 Nov 2002 20:36 PST
Just because a place is listed as "Mt." or "Mount" doesn't mean it
should be considered a mountain, or is even meant to be considered a
mountain. For example, here's the city of "Mt. Pleasant" in Michigan:

http://www.mt-pleasant.org/

This town is about as flat as can be. I don't think you can consider
it much of an accomplishment to walk through Mt. Pleasant...

Clarification of Question by pbrain-ga on 26 Nov 2002 21:13 PST
I think we have two questions now.

"the lowest recognized (named or at least measured) peak in each
continents' most prominent mountain ranges"

and:

"the lowest elevation on each continent that's called 'Mount' or 'Mt.'
something or other", with the proviso that the afforementioned feature
must be naturally occuring, ie: not a town or other manmade object.

Either would be satisfactory.

Request for Question Clarification by hailstorm-ga on 26 Nov 2002 21:16 PST
How about going to all of the different colored beaches on Hawaii?  I
think there's white, black, red, green, and gold, and it's a bit of a
challenge getting to the red and green ones...

Clarification of Question by pbrain-ga on 26 Nov 2002 22:05 PST
If only there was time..
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Subject: Re: 7 lowest summits
From: dannidin-ga on 26 Nov 2002 01:51 PST
 
I don't know what exactly you mean by "lowest peaks", but there are
some nice hills around the dead sea, in Israel/Jordan. Surely they
should count as the lowest peaks in the world. (And in particular the
lowest in Asia - so that answers 1/7 of your question...)

dannidin
Subject: Re: 7 lowest summits
From: skermit-ga on 26 Nov 2002 02:33 PST
 
I myself am set to lead an expedition to conquer the world's highest
valleys, next year. Maybe we should combine our efforts?

skermit-ga
Subject: Re: 7 lowest summits
From: omnivorous-ga on 26 Nov 2002 04:09 PST
 
Pbrain --

If you like to swim, you could take on the lowest points in the 50
states and Canadian provinces:
http://www.geobop.com/paleozoo/World/NA/Geography/Elevations/Lows/index.htm

Or the high spots in North America.   You could start with Florida and
work your way up:
http://www.geobop.com/paleozoo/World/NA/Geography/Elevations/Highs/Chart.htm

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA
Subject: Re: 7 lowest summits
From: robertskelton-ga on 26 Nov 2002 04:27 PST
 
I don't think the definition of a mountain is so clear cut. In
Australia they have "mountains" which would only be classified as
hills in New Zealand, for example.
Subject: Re: 7 lowest summits
From: politicalguru-ga on 26 Nov 2002 07:36 PST
 
I don't have an answer for you, but an idea that might be useful: take
a high mountain and turn it into a hill, or otherway round. It have
been done, as demonstrated in the wonderful movie "The Englishman Who
Went up a Hill but Came down a Mountain" (yes, a good movie with Hugh
Grant. Miracles do happen).
Subject: Re: 7 lowest summits
From: digsalot-ga on 26 Nov 2002 22:46 PST
 
Ok, so we are off to climb the world's seven lowest mountains or those
landforms or objects identified as being a mountain by a reasonably
large part of the local population and identifiable by name on a map. 
Just remember, local people know their area best and if they want to
call Springfield a 'city,' that's up to them.

First continent is Australia.  We have one location there which can
fit perfectly with your plans of climbing in low places.  It is grand
ol' Mount Morgan, a daunting challenge for many.  You see, Mt Morgan
is actually a hole in the ground.  Mount Morgan is an open-cut gold,
silver and copper mine and is the largest excavation in the Southern
Hemisphere, measuring some 800m across and 185m deep.

For international lowest peak climb recordkeeping, a climb must begin
with an ascent rather than a descent.  So Mount Morgan is a "gimme." 
You merely have to stand on the rim and look down.

Next is South America.  I would highly reccomend the village of Monte
Perdido' (lost mountain) in Venezuela.  The name says it all.

Once again, according to the rule book, you can't be faulted for
trying.  If somebody lost the entire mountain before you got there,
you will not be blamed.  It is another "gimme" and can be recorded as
a completed climb.

Now for Africa.  When I started researching Africa, all I heard was
Mt. Nelson or Mount Nelson.  There it was all over the place, Mt
Nelson this, Mount Nelson that.  I couldn't escape it.  It haunted my
dreams for minutes on end.  I felt the call to go there myself. 
Though Mount Nelson has pinkish cliffs that rise a hundred feet or so
and the underlying structure can be too soft to hold rope using
hardware, the ascent can be made by elevator.  "The luxurious Mount
Nelson is undoubtedly one of South Africa`s most famous hotels,
synonymous with Cape hospitality since 1899. Now past her centenary
year, the Mount Nelson remains a much-loved landmark in the Mother
City, acknowledged by Condé Nast Traveler and Travel & Leisure readers
as the best hotel in Africa." - Quote from LuxRes hotel reservation
website.

Now I take some exception to that last statement about being the best
hotel in Africa.  Mena House in Cairo makes the same claim and I can
vouche for that one.

Though the African entry is a building, it is listed on a map as a
"mount."  The audience you have enraptured with the tales of your
globe circling adventure do not have to know the difference.

North America is a breeze.  There are so many towns named Mt. this,
Mount that, or Sierra followed by something Lithuanian, all located
right on the coast at sea level, just pick one and go.  Just do a
little research before picking.  Some of these coastal towns are
sneaky and may have an inland portion which actually extends up a
hillside.

In Europe, it is much the same.  Choose your own itinerary but make
sure you have all your needed equipment with you.  As all of us
involved with minimal elevation climbing sports realize, altitudes
above a hundred feet can cause major oxygen starvation problems often
making us lightheaded, giddy and festive.  One must not be too
lightheaded and giddy when perched on the edge of a two foot plunge.

Need I say "Breathrights" for lung capacity safety or spare ankle
bandages for when you forget?

Which brings us to exotic Asia.  Mt. Fuji might count as long as you
are carried up the slopes and only disembark to walk the last few
feet.  But that might be stretching things a bit and I know you
wouldn't settle for that.

And - - - - Oh good grief - - - - - I just read your last
clarification and man made objects don't count.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.  I really wasn't going to post
this as an answer anyway.  It meets none of your points.  But just a
weak attempt at humor in the comments section.

(sigh)

I meant what I said about the Breathrights though.

Cheers
digsalot
Subject: Re: 7 lowest summits
From: ragingacademic-ga on 11 Dec 2002 22:06 PST
 
...you should all take a break and read "The Ascent of Rum Doodle..."

:-)

ragingacademic

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