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Subject: fountain pen query
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: banchan-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 26 Nov 2002 10:49 PST
Expires: 26 Dec 2002 10:49 PST
Question ID: 114950
hello

i saw this page for what i think is one of the prettier maki-e
pens:     http://www.pensinasia.com/maple_leaf.htm

i had a couple questions about this 'vintage sailor maple leaf'
ballpoint pen.

does anybody know about how old this pen is?

more importantly (to me) is there a fountain pen version of
such a pen?

and finally, since i dont really know about how these pens
are priced, if you know, can you tell me how much the fountain
pen (if it ever existed) would be worth?  some of the maki-es
are priced like $300, and then for others, it seems like
the sky's the limit ($10k +  !).  does this seem like one of
the (hopefully) more affordable ones?

thank you very much in advance for any help on getting more
information!

im so in love right now with this cute pen i dont know what
to do...

Clarification of Question by banchan-ga on 26 Nov 2002 12:20 PST
perhaps the name that sailor designated for the pen would be helpful too.

thank you very much in advance!

Request for Question Clarification by byrd-ga on 26 Nov 2002 13:27 PST
Hi Banchan,

A preliminary search didn't turn up anything about this pen other than
the site you've already found.  I've emailed the Sailor Pen Company
asking for information about it and will let you know if/when I
receive a reply.

Request for Question Clarification by missy-ga on 26 Nov 2002 18:29 PST
Hi banchan,

I contacted the gentleman whose website you've noted, and he has
informed me that the pen has already been sold, and he doesn't think
there was a fountain version.  He didn't give any further details, but
I can ask him again for the history of the pen if you're still
curious.

--Missy

Clarification of Question by banchan-ga on 27 Nov 2002 06:34 PST
please do ask.

thank you!
Answer  
Subject: Re: fountain pen query
Answered By: rainbow-ga on 30 Nov 2002 13:25 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi banchan,

 First, let me agree with you; these pens are indeed beautiful. Doing
research on them was a pleasure. Each one is more beautiful than the
other and I still can't decide which one I like best!
 The pen you obviously like the most is truly exquisite. Apparently it
is a rare one too. I have not seen any other pens like that one on any
of the sites I searched. So I emailed a few dealers and I got an
interesting response from one which I want to share with you:

"We believe the pen was made within the past 15 years. There is likely
a matching fountain pen which should sell in the $400-600 range if you
could find one. The styling is similar to other designs made today by
Sailor in maki-e that may be found on our website.
The large variance in pricing maki-e pens is created by the rarity of
the item; its age; the detail and amount of hand workmanship that went
into its creation; the particular artist; and the size of the pen and
the nature of the design. Certain antique maki-e fountain pens (ie.
1920's and 30's) by Dunhill have sold for over $100,000 and as little
as $600. The modern pens are sometimes high priced as they may be made
in a very limited quantity-eg. less than 50."
This response is from -Fountain Pen Hospital-
http://www.fountainpenhospital.com/Index.html

At these two sites, there are details which come closest to the
history of the Sailor pen:
"What began as a gift of friendship has become a gift to fountain pen
lovers everywhere. Sailor pens has been making fine pens since 1911,
tracing its corporate beginnings and very name to a gift of a fountain
pen from a British sailor to a Japanese friend. Today, Sailor makes
some of the finest pens in the world with a fanatical devotion to the
quality of it's nibs, all of which are hallmarked 1911 in honor of the
company's year of founding..."
Source:- Penspiration -
http://www.penspiration.com/Sailor.html

'Timeless Quality Through Ceaseless Innovation' 
"Great enterprises often have humble beginnings. Sailor Pen, the first
and foremost writing instrument manufacturer in Japan, is a case in
point. In 1911, a British sailor presented Kyugoro Sakata with the
gift of a fountain pen, then unknown in Japan. Sakata was so taken
with his pen that he decided to found a company that would craft
writing instruments even more amazing than his gift. He called his
company Sailor, in honor of his British friend. He dreamed of making
writing an enjoyable voyage of discovery for people everywhere, and of
spreading Sailor's name around the world."
Source: - Sailor Corporation of America -
http://www.sailorpen.com/home.htm

This link is to a book you may be interested in reading. It's a
guidebook to maki-e pens first published in Japanese two years ago and
now available in English.
Dunhill-Namiki and Lacquer Pens
Maki-e Pens Guidebook
By Tomihiro Murakami 
- Pentrace -
http://www.pentrace.com/
http://www.penlovers.com/stylophiles/oct02/10makibk.htm

Here are some more sites you may be interested in looking through:
- Penstop Online -
http://www.penstoponline.com/html/pens_sailor_maki.html

- Pen-site -
http://www.pen-site.com/

- Penlovers.com -
http://www.penlovers.com/

- Pen World International -
http://www.penworld.com/index.html

- Pen Plus -
http://www.pensplus.org/template.cfm?cat=maki

Following are a few directories for lots of other sites which are
worth having for someone interested in pens.
- Penhero.com -
http://www.penhero.com/PenBookmarks_Full.htm

- MarcusLink.com - 'Glen's Pen Page'
http://www.marcuslink.com/pens/link1.html

- Fountain Pen Links -
http://pw1.netcom.com/~danhle/links.html

When I receive any more replies from the dealers I e-mailed, I will
post them for you.
If you have any questions regarding my answer, please don't hesitate
to ask before rating.

Best regards,
rainbow~

Clarification of Answer by rainbow-ga on 02 Dec 2002 21:51 PST
Hi banchan,

I've received two more replies from other sources that I had emailed:

"Thanks for your inquiry. The pen seems to be fairly new. I suggest
you contact Sailor's US distributor, Sailor Corporation of America, at
800-248-4583."
Pen World International

"The Sailor ballpoint is not Vintage, it is a few years old and not
made anymore. it is "new old stock". I have 3 cheap sailor
fountainpens that actually have great nibs and write quite well:
http://www.pen-site.com/sailor_store2.htm
The 'bush clover is similar'"
Pen-Site.com

Regards,
rainbow~
banchan-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
thank you for the informative answer!

Comments  
Subject: Re: fountain pen query
From: gomichan-ga on 09 Dec 2002 16:00 PST
 
Just out of curiosity, I checked out the source...
http://www.sailor.co.jp

Maki-e designs for Sailor seem to exist for :
 - fountain pens
 - ballpoint pens
 - mechanical pencils (Japanese call them sharp-pencils)

Fountain Pens : many varieties and designs
  Prices range from 1,000,000 yen (yup...thats 
  about $8300 (!) (@120yen=$1) down to 20,000 yen (you do da math)
  The 20,000 yen one seems to be a butterfly motif.
  The expensive ones seem to be hand-decorated by famous
  artists.

Ball-point Pens : Go under the Pro-fit(?) brand
  Maple leaf motif (25,000 yen)
  Butterfly motif (15,000 yen)

Mechanical Pencials : Also under the Pro-fit(?) brand
  Maple lead motif (25,000 yen)
  Buttergly motif (15,000 yen)

Perhaps there is someone out there who is importing
them into the USA...
Subject: Re: fountain pen query
From: gomichan-ga on 09 Dec 2002 16:06 PST
 
Direct URL to product lineup...
 [You may need Japanese fonts to view correctly]
 http://www.sailor.co.jp/SHOHIN/lineup.html

Direct URL to history of the company
 http://www.sailor.co.jp/EXPORT/index.html

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