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Subject: driving in New York City
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: kamwu-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 27 Nov 2002 19:03 PST
Expires: 03 Dec 2002 10:41 PST
Question ID: 115778
Are there presently any "no right turn on red" traffic signs at or near the
George Washington Bridge, Holland Tunnel and Lincoln Tunnel that are
visible to a driver when driving from New Jersey into New York City?
If there are, how large are these signs?

Request for Question Clarification by nellie_bly-ga on 27 Nov 2002 19:43 PST
"Right turn on red" is forbidden throughout New York City unless
otherwise noted by a traffic sign,  and so there are no "no right turn
on red" signs.

Are you seeking signs posted before one enters the city?

Clarification of Question by kamwu-ga on 27 Nov 2002 20:01 PST
I understand that right turn on red is forbidden since I already have
a traffic infraction ticket on making a right turn on red after a
complete stop. However, I didn't know it is illegal before getting the
ticket. I have driven to New York City from New Jersey several times,
but never noticed any sign posted when I drove into New York City.
Neither did I see any sign in the city. I wish to find out if there
are signs posted before or after one enters the city, mostly on the NY
side, to warn out-of-state drivers when they enter the city. If there
are, how large are they?
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The following answer was rejected by the asker (they received a refund for the question).
Subject: Re: driving in New York City
Answered By: skermit-ga on 28 Nov 2002 00:09 PST
Rated:1 out of 5 stars
 
Hello,

I found a website devoted to the "Right On Red" statue which was
approved by federal law in the 1970's (link below):

"
RTOR after stop was introduced in the 1970s to save energy in response
to the oil crisis (see also 10 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations)
420.15), and it is permitted in all states, District of Columbia
(US-DC), Guam and Puerto Rico. In New York (US-NY) State, however,
RTOR is prohibited in New York City (NYC) and for school buses
statewide while carrying pupils.
"

And from that website by taking a look at the New York City Traffic
Rules and Regulations in §4-03(a)(3)(ii) (link below), it states:

"
(ii) Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this subdivision (a),
or any
provisions of state law, an operator approaching an intersection where
a
sign authorizes right or left turns on red signal may make such turn
after
coming to a complete stop, but shall yield the right of way to all
vehicles
and pedestrians lawfully within the intersection.
"

Meaning unless a sign is posted otherwise specifically stating that
"Turn On Red" is allowed, it is to be assumed that no turn on red is
allowed. From the website mentioned above and linked below, you can
see that New York City is the only city that specifically prohibits
"Turn On Red" unless otherwise stated. It's the only area that
prohibits it by default actually; all states including New York State
allow "Turn On Red" by default. So you will not see a "No Turn On Red"
sign anywhere in NYC, it's assumed. You might see a couple signs which
allow you to turn on red though, but I'm not sure where to find these,
and haven't come across any in my travels in NYC (I'm just across the
bridge in NJ as well). As for warning out-of-staters, I'm sure any
monies they receive from the tickets they receive each day deter any
want to remind motorists. Also, travelers assumed to know and abide by
the laws and rules of any city/state/country they enter, as it is a
matter of public information. Sorry you caught a deal, and I hope I
answered your question.


Search Strategy:

"right on red" "new york city" on google:
://www.google.com/search?q=%22right+on+red%22+%22new+york+city%22


Additional Links:

"Right On Red" website (see half-way down for by-state laws):
http://www.geocities.com/jusjih/turn-red.html


Thank you for the opportunity to answer your question, if you require
more information, please clarify the question, or if you find this
answer satisfactory, please feel free to rate it. Thank you!

skermit-ga

Clarification of Answer by skermit-ga on 28 Nov 2002 00:15 PST
Ooops... forgot two more links.


Additional Links:

NYC Traffic Rules and Regulations website:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/permits/traffic_rules.html

NYC Traffic Rules and Regulations:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/pdf/trafrule.pdf


skermit-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by kamwu-ga on 28 Nov 2002 03:54 PST
Unfortunately you didn't answer my question clearly. I didn't ask
about regulations on no right turn on red in NYC, which I already
knew. Please read my original question: I asked if there are "no right
turn on red" signs posted at or near the three main entrances to NYC
from NJ and if there are, how large they are. A "not sure" answer is
insufficient. Please provide a more specific answer.

Clarification of Answer by skermit-ga on 28 Nov 2002 04:17 PST
I'm sorry kamwu, maybe you did not read my answer fully. here's the
sentence which directly answers your question. I apologize for adding
peripheral information to it, it was what I came across during my
research.

"So you will not see a "No Turn On Red" sign anywhere in NYC, it's
assumed. You might see a couple signs which allow you to turn on red
though..."

There are no signs notifying you that you are entering a "No Turn On
Red" area, it's assumed you should know the driving laws of the area
you are driving in. The only reason you see "No Turn On Red" signs in
NJ or in the rest of the country for that matter is because it's
assumed you are allowed to turn on red unless a sign is posted. The
opposite is true in NYC. You assume you are NOT allowed to turn on red
unless posted otherwise. Thank you for clarifying and I hope that I've
made myself clearer in my clarification.

skermit-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by kamwu-ga on 01 Dec 2002 18:54 PST
I posted the same question on three news groups. One person took two
pictures of NO RTOR signs in NYC. They can be viewed at

http://plover.net/~green/?linctun-e-ex_2
http://plover.net/~green/?linctun-e-ex_4

Sorry, your answer was incorrect. Can I have my money back?

Clarification of Answer by skermit-ga on 02 Dec 2002 07:03 PST
Here you go:
https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=refundrequest

sorry about the mixup.

skermit-ga
Reason this answer was rejected by kamwu-ga:
The research admitted that his answer was incorrect. Please refer to
the clarification questions and answers in the post. Thanks.
kamwu-ga rated this answer:1 out of 5 stars
Incorrect answer. Refund requested.

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