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Subject:
boiling water
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: hodag-ga List Price: $2.50 |
Posted:
30 Nov 2002 12:27 PST
Expires: 30 Dec 2002 12:27 PST Question ID: 116893 |
does cold water boil faster than pre-heated water in a pot on the stove? |
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Re: boiling water
Answered By: tar_heel_v-ga on 30 Nov 2002 12:54 PST |
hodag... Thanks for your question. I have often wondered the same thing and I even tend to wait for the water to warm up coming out of the spigot before putting in the pot to boil. The boiling point of water is 212 degrees Farenheit (100 degrees Celsius). In order for that temperature to be attained, we apply heat to the water. Being that I am American, all temperature references are in Farenheit. If the water is 65 degrees, it must increase roughly 150 degress to reach the boiling point. However, if the water is 80 degrees, it need only increase the temperature by roughly 130 degrees, or 20 degrees less, to attain the boiling point. Another analogy would be to consider ice. Ice is nothing more than water that has reached a freezing point, or 32 degrees Farneheit, or lower. So, it is simply at a lower temperature. If you take a cup of water that has frozen, a cup of water at room temperature, and a cup of water that is warmer than room temperature, the warm water will come to a boil quicker than than the room temperature water which will come to a boil quicker than than the frozen water. From an energy standpoint, however, it is more cost effective to take the water from the tap and fill your pot as opposed to waiting for it warm up as it takes more energy for your hot water heater to heat up water than it does for your stove. So, while warm water may boil quicker, it is more energy efficient to boil water at the temperature it comes from the tap. One way to decrease the time to boil is to cover the pot with a lid. Thank you for your question and I hope the information I have provided was helpful. If you need any additional clarification, please let me know. Regards, -THV Search Strategy: hot water boils quicker than cold water References: Hot vs. Cold Water: Boiling Experiment http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8370/boil.htm The Official Newsletter of Middle Georgia Electric Membership Corporation http://mgemc.com/oct_01/03.html |
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Re: boiling water
From: carnegie-ga on 30 Nov 2002 18:33 PST |
Dear Hodag (and Tar_heel_v), Tar_heel_v's first sentence suggests that s/he has perhaps misread your question. If he is tempted to wait for warm water, he is presumably expecting that to boil sooner, and he goes on to suggest that that is the case. But you (Hodag) may understand about energy but may nevertheless be suggesting that it may be that the colder water would boil first. Whilst I don't believe that this will be the case, it is worth considering such contrary-to-intuition possibilities. Indeed, if we reverse the problem, there is much evidence that - in certain circumstances - warm water freezes sooner than cold water. See the (different) Usenet Physics FAQs at http://www.weburbia.com/physics/hot_water.html and http://hepweb.rl.ac.uk/ppUK/PhysFAQ/hot_water.html Incidentally, there are other problems with the answer. The suggestion that "[i]ce is nothing more than water that has reached a freezing point, [...] it is simply at a lower temperature" ignores the very significant concept of latent heat. If ice were simply cold water it would not be solid. And every time snow thawed it would do so instantaneously when the temperature rose, causing catastrophic floods. Vast quantities of polar ice would thaw and freeze by the day and by the season, causing enormous waves and variations in sea level. And why do we think that "it takes more energy for your hot water heater to heat up water than it does for your stove"? It will certainly take more energy for your heater to heat an entire tankful than for the stove to heat a potful, but that's cheating, isn't it?! There is every reason to suppose that the heater may do its job of the first part of heating your potful of water more cheaply, because (1) the water tank may be lagged, whereas the pot isn't, (2) less heat is probably lost from the heat source itself in the heater than from the stove, and (3) the energy source used by the heater may well be cheaper than that used in the stove (where convenience is also an issue). I hope this helps. Carnegie |
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Re: boiling water
From: highroute-ga on 30 Nov 2002 21:24 PST |
You asked, "does cold water boil faster than pre-heated water in a pot on the stove?", and you got lots of words in reply. If you were to ask this question of an average kid, she would probably get two saucepans and do a kitchen experiment, supervised by a parent. Sometimes kids are just smarter than adults; adults over-intellectualize and pontificate, and kids just go figure it out. So I suggest doing a kitchen experiment. Get a parent to supervise if you're a kid. As far as I know, using a modern, insulated water heater to heat a given amount of water from cold-tap temperature to a typical water-heater temperature takes MUCH less energy than a kitchen range would use to do the same thing. But it is still not a good idea to use hot tap water for cooking. Water drawn from the water heater can be significantly lower in quality than cold tap water. See question 14 here: http://www.fcwa.org/water/faq.htm and here's another source: http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-pt=Question-questionId=4078 |
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Re: boiling water
From: neilzero-ga on 30 Nov 2002 23:19 PST |
While some of the critisism in the comments are justified and/or helpful, tar heel did come to the correct conclusion. Warm water boils sooner than cold water, water boils sooner than ice, and you typically use more energy if you get the water from the hotwater tap. The exceptions to the later would be a very small volumn of pipe between the centeral hot water heater or a large volumn of water to be boiled and/or the water from the tap was already hot due to resently drawing hot water from the tap for some other use. The reason is the hot water needs to heat the cold pipe enroute to the tap and hot water is left in the pipe to get cold after you draw the desired amount of hot water. Typically the better efficiency of the central heater is not sufficient to overcome the extra losses, which do not occur when cold water is used. Carnegie and weburbia suggestion that hot water might freeze freeze before cold water occurs only under unusual conditions and the reverse is even more rare(probably never). Carnegie; what do you mean by "lagged"? High route is correct; The hotwater tap supplies water of lower quality than the cold water tap, with rare exceptions. Where the hot water heater is set long term at low temperature and hot water is rarely drawn from the centeral heater, the hot water tap may supply dangerious water. Covering the pot does reduce losses and typically the water reaches a boil sooner. Neil |
Subject:
Re: boiling water
From: carnegie-ga on 01 Dec 2002 17:43 PST |
Dear Neilzero, By "lagged" I meant "insulated" (in the sense of surrounded by lagging). Sorry about that. (I am fascinated to discover now that this word, though common in this sense here in the UK - and apparently also in Ireland, Australasia, and South Africa - seems not so in the US.) Carnegie |
Subject:
Re: boiling water
From: alan0-ga on 02 Dec 2002 13:31 PST |
Here's a question about rates of cooling that was asked in an interview to get into Cambridge University once: Is there any difference between the temperatures of the following two cups of coffee: (1) Make black coffee black, wait for five minutes and then add the milk (2) Make black coffee, add the milk and then wait five minutes. There are no other outside influences and the amount of coffee and milk is the same in both cases. I have not posted this as a question because I know the answer and just wanted to stimulate further debate if people are interested. |
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