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Q: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions?? ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   7 Comments )
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Subject: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
Category: Health
Asked by: jahfreak-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 02 Dec 2002 17:09 PST
Expires: 01 Jan 2003 17:09 PST
Question ID: 118078
Hello... I was wondering what exactly causes the orange pizza/pasta
sauce "grease" that is sometimes seen in sauces made at those Local
Pizza shops... (Ie: Not Dominos/Pizza Hut... I mean the local Mom &
Pop typed shops)...
Also have there ever been any reported allergic or health reactions to
whatever ingredient causes this?
Thanks...

Clarification of Question by jahfreak-ga on 02 Dec 2002 17:14 PST
After re-reading my question, I noticed it was a bit confusing.. I
meant that the grease is orange, not the sauce... The sauce I'm
referring to is the normal marinara (red)-typed pizza (or pasta)
sauce..
Answer  
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 02 Dec 2002 21:21 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
jahfreak...

I decided to back up my comment with some research.

The proof is in the picture. Look at the top center
picture on this page, called "Country Club Bakery"
and, as it says "notice the orange, grease-stained
bread... delicious":
http://www.fscwv.edu/users/rheffner/pepperoniroll/variations.htm

This is a personal page by a college student, 
paying homage to the pepperoni roll.
The page is verrry slow to load, so be patient.

As to allergies, if you are allergic to paprika,
then there might be a problem - otherwise, no.
The coloring agent used in pepperoni is
"oleoresin paprika", as noted on this page from
the FoodProductDesign.com website:

"The full regulations concerning food colors can
 be found in 21 CFR parts 70-80. This lists the
 approved colors, purity specifications and
 requirements, and their uses and restrictions."

"'Processors are allowed to add paprika as a
 colorant to processed meats, such as bologna
 and pepperoni," says Locey. "They may not add
 color to fresh meat such as ground beef. One
 notable exception is chorizo sausage.
 Oleoresin paprika is specified in the
 regulations as an acceptable coloring agent.'"
http://www.foodproductdesign.com/archive/1995/0395DE.html


Searches done, via Google:

"orange grease" pizza
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22orange+grease%22+pizza

"orange grease" foods
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22orange+grease%22+foods

"orange coloring" pepperoni
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22orange+coloring%22+pepperoni

This may seem like a brief answer, but it addresses your
question, and took quite awhile to track down.

Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that the 
answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog with
the researcher through the "Request for Clarification" process.

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 02 Dec 2002 21:23 PST
I meant to add that the grease is from the cheese,
pepperoni, sausage, etc. It's just being colored
orange by the paprika oleoresin from the pepperoni.

Request for Answer Clarification by jahfreak-ga on 02 Dec 2002 22:04 PST
sublime1...

I was talking about the pizza sauce, *specifically* ... Nothing to do
with pepperoni or other meats whatsoever ...

The other night I had a dish made by a local pizza shop which
consisted of baked plain ziti and marinara sauce ... That's it ... No,
it wasn't meat sauce, either... The sauce had orange grease in it,
which became brighter and much more apparent as I left the unfinished
dish out over the hours... This is the 2nd time I've ordered from this
shop, and I've felt physically horrible internally, as if some kind of
reaction was occuring - for the next few days after eating their
food... (needless to say, I think I'll avoid that shop in the
future)... I'm just wondering if there are specific ingredients that
typically cause the orange grease -- in plain pasta sauce, alone ...
(I've seen it on pizza also, and the cheese theory would make sense
there, but there was no cheese, meat, etc on this ziti dish I
ordered)...

Paprika makes sense, if that is also typically added to sauces? ...
And if it's just some kind of oil like bobthedispatcher commented
below, do you know what types of oils would be used in a pizza/pasta
sauce?

Request for Answer Clarification by jahfreak-ga on 02 Dec 2002 22:16 PST
Just to be clear, I've seen the vats of plain marinara sauce in pizza
shops in the past, with sections of this orange grease floating at the
top...

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 03 Dec 2002 09:11 PST
jahfreak...

Bobthedispatcher seems to have beat me to the punch...
or the sauce, that is. He's quite right regarding the
kinds of oils used in pizza sauce, which will, of course,
vary with the 'Mom' or 'Pop' making the sauce.

Since the common ingredients for pizza sauce are very
limited, the orange coloring in a meatless sauce would
have to come from the tomatoes with a little help from
red pepper flakes, cayenne, red chile peppers and, in
rare cases, carrots.

Some typical recipes can be found on this page by Uncle
Phaedrus - Finder of Lost Recipes:
http://www.hungrybrowser.com/phaedrus/m071401.htm

As for the incorrigible stains in the tupperware, 
tomato sauce is known as one of the most difficult
stains to remove - from anything. A tip on 
Oxygen.com, by Momyof2 notes how you can prevent this:

"Don't you hate it when your spaghetti sauce
 leaves a ring in your plastic containers?
 Just spray cooking spray in your bowls
 before pouring the sauce in, and you won't
 have that ring!"

Once the stains are set, however, they are permanent,
as noted by this page from HowToCleanAnything.com
from the Toronto Sun:

"...they are now part of the plastic, which has been
 modified on a molecular level."

"This change is caused by the high temperatures
 experienced in isolated areas on the perimeters
 of containers used to heat or re-heat food in a
 microwave oven. The worst part is not the tomato
 sauce becoming part of the container, but the
 plastic container becoming part of the food!"

"There are ongoing studies on the effects of
 chemicals that mimic estrogen, which are found
 in most plastic packaging and plastic containers.
 Researchers are currently trying to draw the link
 between this, increased in infertility in men,
 and increased breast cancer in women, caused by
 these xenoestrogens. Yikes!"

"Not to fear monger, but it might be best to err
 on the side of caution by tossing those plastic
 containers and only use glass or ceramic dishes
 in the microwave."

Well, that's certainly food for thought!


Searches done, via Google:

"pizza sauce ingredients"
://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=%22pizza+sauce+ingredients%22

tomato stains
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=tomato+stains

Thank you for using the clarification process
to arrive at a satisfactory answer before
assigning a rating.

sublime1-ga
jahfreak-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Excellent answer, follow-ups, and comments... Thanks sublime1.

Comments  
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
From: revbrenda1st-ga on 02 Dec 2002 18:58 PST
 
I'm the Mom of a mom and pop op...   :)    know why but can't prove why.    :)
Don't worry about allergies,  etc.
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
From: jahfreak-ga on 02 Dec 2002 19:15 PST
 
Why do you think the grease is created?
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
From: sublime1-ga on 02 Dec 2002 20:00 PST
 
Isn't it from the pepperoni?
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
From: bobthedispatcher-ga on 02 Dec 2002 21:39 PST
 
Two sources come to mind -
  Oil in the sauce, picking up a red color from the totatoes
    (try microwaving pizza sauce in a plastic container, it turns the
plastic orange, and is impossible to wash out, with many plastics!)
  Fat in the pizza cheese, separating out when melted, which is a bit
yellowish, and mixes with the red-orange sauce oil


I've made & eaten a LOT of pizza
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
From: jahfreak-ga on 02 Dec 2002 22:32 PST
 
bobthedispatcher, 

Thanks for your comment, and I noticed the same thing! Some strong
detergents seem to be able to get rid of the grease out of the
plastics if you wash them using the detergent and very hot water
promptly after eating out of them, if you wait too long though, you're
right - forget it, they're stained for good...

Imagine what this stuff does to your Digestive system walls and
linings - if they permanently stain tupperwear :-) ... I really want
to get to the bottom of what this stuff could be (what kinds of oils,
spices, etc, specifically make up the grease...)...

Hopefully revbrenda1st might notice this thread again and let us know
:-)

jahfreak-ga
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
From: bobthedispatcher-ga on 02 Dec 2002 22:47 PST
 
I wouldn't worry about the staining effects on your insides, I will
attest to the fact that over 40 years of very frequent pizza
consumption has not done any noticible damage!

The only effect I've noticed is that
     "Seven days without pizza makes one weak"
Subject: Re: Local Pizza Shop - Orange Pizza/Pasta Sauce "Grease" reactions??
From: bobthedispatcher-ga on 02 Dec 2002 22:53 PST
 
On the question of the oils used in pizza sauce:
  It would depend on the manufacturer of a prepared sauce, or the
personal recipe of a cook or pizza shop, but typical vegetable oils
would include Olive oil (delicious, but can be expensive), Soybean,
cannola, corn, or just generic "vegetable" oil. blended into the
cooked sauce it gives a very smooth "feel" to the sauce, but can
separate out when baked!

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