Hello there. I have devised a puzzle and would like to test its
difficulty. Please follow the link to see the puzzle. When you
submit your solution make sure you include your reasoning! Thanks and
good luck!
PUZZLE LOCATED AT:
http://www10.brinkster.com/divet/hd6.jpg |
Request for Question Clarification by
hailstorm-ga
on
04 Dec 2002 17:46 PST
divet,
Do we need to give the coordinates for blue and white squares as well
as the spheres?
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Clarification of Question by
divet-ga
on
04 Dec 2002 18:02 PST
I only require the location of the spheres.
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Request for Question Clarification by
tox-ga
on
07 Dec 2002 10:50 PST
First I would like to note that this question, like all others you
posted, are from "Test For Exceptional Intelligence" created by the
International High IQ
Society. This contest is also known as the Smartest Person in the
World Contest where the prize is 500 US dollars and recognition.
(information found here
http://www.highiqsociety.org/common/smartest.htm)
The rules prohibit participants from any collaboration or dicussion
(you may contact the Society if you do not believe this).
With that said, it seems like you, Divet, are the one who has been
dishonest with your posts. Clearly you did not devise this puzzle..an
identical one can be found if you just follow the link I mentioned.
It leads me to believe, as it would lead any reasonable person, that
you do not have the answer yourself, which is why you would not accept
brettquest's answer. The purpose of asking this question was to get
the solution for the contest, not to test its difficulty (otherwise
brettquest's solution would be more than adequet).
As for you working on the website that "run a high-IQ site and develop
tests for high intelligences", even if this is true, it is irrelevant.
The group/website that created this was the High IQ Society and you
are not part of them..I know this as a fact because I am a member and
none of the other members have posted anything regarding the contest
to any public forum/site. Posting it as a question on a site such as
Google Answers is obviously against the rules of the contest and no
member would do that. If you do in fact run your own IQ site, then
you are infringing the copyright of the High IQ Society by claiming
the puzzle as your own.
It appalls me that you would request a basically honest and polite
researcher to be banned when it is evident who the foul player is
here.
I will wait a few days for your reply (your side of the story) before
I contact Google. Obviously the Society has already been told of
this; I imagine the contest judges would watch out for an "Aaron" in
the future answer submissions which basically ruins the recognition
part of the award if it is won.
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Clarification of Question by
divet-ga
on
07 Dec 2002 11:59 PST
Hello tox-ga,
Thanks for your interest in my questions. To respond to your remark I
would like to say my listings are for my general interest. A colluege
of mine directed me to the site 2 weeks ago. Since then I alone have
been able to solve 24 of the 25 questions (The 25th question is being
solved by my computer as we speak). There is no need for me to steal
answers or cheat in order to win the competition. I actually wasn't
even aware of that cash prize to be honest. I have nothing to prove
by this test. How is it advantageous to me to divulge answers to
questions that other competitors could use?
I posted these questions since they (I found) were either the most
difficult or the most interesting. I have the solutions to all of the
questions I posted. So it is not a matter of cheating. I will gladly
go over any solution and show why it is incorrect. Only someone with
the proper solution could do that.
I only wish to see the logic other people used. I am currently
building a website that will allow people all over the world to
collaborate and work on research projects. It is a non-profit
organization built simply out of the love of human knowledge and
discovery. If this is interesting to anyone please leave a comment to
learn more.
tox-ga if you would like to talk further through email let me know. I
believe we could have an interesting dicussion.
Thanks,
Divet-ga
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Hello there. I have devised a puzzle and would like to test its
difficulty. Please follow the link to see the puzzle. When you
submit your solution make sure you include your reasoning! Thanks and
good luck!
Divet-ga:
The demonstrable solution to your puzzle I offer is (A1, A3, B2, C2);
using the coordinate format specified for the solution. My reasoning
is simple, and is based completely on the image of the puzzle from the
link you provided. Plotting spheres in the coordinates of my solution
forms an "arrowhead" pattern that points up. That formation completes
a sequence of three proceeding "arrowhead" formations which point in
different directions. Let me be specific.
The fifth item of the puzzle's top line forms the first "arrowhead"
(A2, B2, C1, C3) which points down.
The second item of the puzzle's middle line forms the second
"arrowhead" (A1,B2,B3,C1) which points to the viewer's right.
The third item of the puzzle's middle line forms the third "arrowhead"
(A3,B1,B2, C3) which points to the viewer's left.
The threefold appearance of a regular, directionally indicative
formation combines with the single opportunity of sequencing another
pattern of spheres to most strongly suggest that the desired formation
is that which repeats the regular formation in the only direction it
has not yet appeared to indicate. The only pattern that does that is
the one I offer in answer -- (A1, A3, B2, C2).
There may be additional complexities of reasons to arrive at that
solution [such as a pattern of alternating moves] which explain why
the individual items sequence as they do. However, it seems
unnecessary to explore those complications since whatever their logic
they allow the reoccurring directional formations to retune as they
do. This leads with a certainty of probability to the completion of
that sequence in the final item's plotting of spheres.
You have asked for a solution to your puzzle, provided with reasons.
I'm glad to offer both. You've indicated that your goal is assessing
the puzzle's level of difficulty. Right or wrong (though I certainly
believe my solution to be the correct one), I hope I have helped you
do that to your satisfaction. I am fond of all types of puzzles, and
this was a pleasure to consider.
Regards,
Brettquest
Resources and Links:
Puzzle
http://www10.brinkster.com/divet/hd6.jpg
Google Search: None required |
Request for Answer Clarification by
divet-ga
on
04 Dec 2002 23:26 PST
I am sorry but this answer is wrong. Your reasoning does not match
the pattern. By assuming that the solution is an "arrowhead" based on
only a few of the elements in the sequence is disregarding elements
that illustrate the next member in the sequence. ALL elements in any
sequence of this kind will have meaning. The solution is more
complicated than that. For this reason I must find your solution
unacceptable. Please feel free to try again.
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Clarification of Answer by
brettquest-ga
on
04 Dec 2002 23:50 PST
Divet-ga:
I'm sorry that my offered solution was not the correct one. I will
clarify by restating my sincerest belief that the answer I offered was
correct. However the reason that I answered your question was to
fulfill your goals having a solution proposed along with the reasoning
behind that proposal. That is the gist of what I hoped I provided as
an answer. This was done with the complete intention of helping you
assess the puzzle's difficulty. I can only suggest that the
proposition of a solution which is as reasonable as that I
constructed, and yet still incorrect, cannot help but to reflect upon
the puzzle's difficulty. My apologies for proposing the incorrect
solution, but as the act of answering strived to meet your overall
goals, I again hope you draw satisfaction from it,
Regards,
Brettquest
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Request for Answer Clarification by
divet-ga
on
05 Dec 2002 00:14 PST
Brettquest,
I understand what you are saying about providing insight into the
level of difficulty of the puzzle but that is not what I asked for a
SOLUTION to the puzzle. Your submission did not solve the puzzle. If
I divised a mathematical sequence 1,4,9,16,... and asked for a
solution it. By providing an answer of say 36 does not provide me
with the SOLUTION to the puzzle. The sequence follows a logical
progression where only the answer (25 in this case) would suffice.
Again I encourage you to try again but your submission does not meet
the question requirements.
-Aaron
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Clarification of Answer by
brettquest-ga
on
05 Dec 2002 01:02 PST
Divet-ga:
I suppose it may be a matter of intentions, but what you literally
idicated was that you "would like to test its difficulty." and "when
you submit your solution" -- which is the only thing I profess to
attempting. The correctness or incorrectness of any proposed solution
wasn't an explicit criteria, though I must grant that you must have
thought it followed in the asking. I hope our exchanges have at least
illustrated that an incorrect solution, sincerely offered does aid in
assessing the puzzle's difficulty. Might I suggest that an inorrect
solution pairs with the desired correct answer (whatever that may be)
as two sides of the assessment coin, so to speak. A proposed solution
with supporting reasons,correct or not, toward the purpose of
assessing difficulty therefore seemed suitable as an answer. That's
what I offered, and I regret you found it lacking. My apologies.
Regards,
Brettquest
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Request for Answer Clarification by
divet-ga
on
05 Dec 2002 02:10 PST
Brettquest,
You said yourself that you understand that I was looking for the
SOLUTION to the puzzle I posted. Giving me your attempt does not meet
those requirements. It is a simple matter to attend to by the Google
- Answers staff. There is only one working solution to the pattern
and your submission was not it - plain and simple. You are trying to
twist my words to cheat the system. The Google staff will recognize
this and revoke your answer.
The english language requires one to use common sense when trying to
interpret the meaning of a sentence. You did not do this.
This will be the last message I write to you. Good day.
-Aaron
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Clarification of Answer by
brettquest-ga
on
05 Dec 2002 08:39 PST
Divet-ga
Sir, I posted my response to your request for an answer in complete
good faith that it would be sufficient as answer because the literal
text of your question stated that you "... would like to test its
difficulty." The only other condition for answering your question was
"When you submit your solution make sure you include your reasoning!"
Sir, I submitted a solution with an explanation of my reasoning for
it. I did not, nor need to, twist your words in any way to arrive at
the answer I provided in the sincerest hopes of meeting your goal of
difficulty assessment.
Sir, I cheat nothing. I regret that you are not satisfied with the
answer I presented in good faith to you. Since you are dissatisfied,
you are perfectly within your rights to request a refund. I am
perfectly willing, and indeed must allow other members of the Google
Answers staff to review my work here. I believe my good faith in
answering is evident.
Regards,
Brettquest
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