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Computing Homology groups
Category: Science > Math Asked by: dubois-ga List Price: $50.00 |
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06 Dec 2002 00:51 PST
Expires: 08 Dec 2002 14:16 PST Question ID: 120239 |
I need to compute two homology groups: a) H (S^3\X,Z), where X is a copy of the circle S^1, n Z is the integers, n >= 0. b) H (X,B), where X is the connected sum of two tori, n B < X is a circle in one of the tori tangent to the boundary, and n = 0,1,2. If my description of X and B is unclear, there is a picture of this on p. 132 of Hatchers Algebraic Topology (circle B, in conjunction with Problem 17(b)). The relevant chapter is at the link http://www.math.cornell.edu/~hatcher/AT/ATch2.pdf [by "<" I mean "is a subset of"] Any standard result may be used for the two computations, such as those found in Chapter 2 of Hatcher. Also, I had some difficulty pricing this question; if I'm paying too much, keep the difference as my treat. If I'm not offering enough, just let me know how long it took you to answer and I'll tip appropriately to make up for the extra time. Thanks in advance. | |
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Re: Computing Homology groups
From: mathtalk-ga on 08 Dec 2002 07:42 PST |
Hi, dubois: I am interested in solving your problems, but as you know you are on a short time schedule. The PDF link did not work for me for some reason; I determined that Adobe Acrobat Reader (I have version 5.1) was taking a long time to parse the file, and in the end was unable to display any part of it (although it seems to "know" it has 88 pages). So instead I have downloaded the PostScript version, which I can open with GSView. Here is my thinking so far on the first part of your problem; I will not be offended if another expert is able to solve your problem first. I will not lock your problem since your schedule is so short; it may take a group effort to answer this is so little time. We can envision S^3 as the one-point compactification of R^3. If one excises a circle S^1 from this, then clearly the resulting space is still (path) connected, but simple loops exist that "entangle" with the missing S^1 subset and are therefore neither null-homotopic nor expressible as the boundary of an embedded 2-simplex. I note that you have asked for the "homology groups" of H_n(S^3\X) and not the "reduced homology groups". I'm assuming this is so, and not an artifact of the notational difficulty of placing a tilde over the H! You seem to have done a fine job of finagling the subscripts into place. The homology group H_0(K) of a simplicial complex K is always a direct product of a number of copies of Z corresponding to the number of (connected) components of K, which as we noted is 1 in this case. So: H_0(S^3\X) = Z One down, infinity minus one to go! For the sake of discussion, the reduced zeroth homology group is then trivial: ~ H_0(S^3\X) = {0} regards, mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Computing Homology groups
From: dannidin-ga on 08 Dec 2002 07:57 PST |
mathtalk computed one homology group, so i think i'll put in a contribution by computing another infinity-minus-three of them: An n-dimensional topological manifold without boundary has all homology groups of order m>n equal to zero. (This is lemma 6.2 on page 148 of the book "Homology Theory" by James W. Vick) Therefore for S^3\X we have H_4 = H_5 = H_6 = ... = 0. As for H_1, I believe it should be equal to Z, for the reasons mentioned by mathtalk, although I don't know how to prove this. And H_2 I would bet is equal to Z, the generator should look like a torus that enfolds the incised circle. H_3 is a mystery. Can anybody compute the homology groups for R^3 \ circle ? That would give us a head start, it might be possible to compute from there using the Mayer-Vietoris sequence. |
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Re: Computing Homology groups
From: mathtalk-ga on 08 Dec 2002 12:58 PST |
Hi, dannidin: That's a lot of progress! The H_1 case is kind of interesting because of the relationship to the knot group, the fundamental group of R^3 \ X. Essentially H_1( R^3 \ X ) is the abelianization of the fundamental group (homotopy), i.e. mod'ing out the commutator subgroup. Now the fundamental groups can vary, depending on how X "sits" inside R^3, even for "tame" knots. But evidently from a homology perspective it should not matter. regards, mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Computing Homology groups
From: dannidin-ga on 08 Dec 2002 13:55 PST |
Hi again dubois (and mathtalk), I have a solution for question a. The homology groups of S^3\X are: H_0 = Z H_1 = Z H_ 2 = H_3 = H_4 = ... = 0. I found this in the same book by Vick that I mentioned in my last comment. I recently bought this book, wanting to refresh my (very dim) memory of this beautiful theory and hoping that the financial investment would give me the necessary incentive... I was reading through it all weekend to see if I could solve your question, when this evening I encountered a more general statement as a theorem: Corollary 1.29 states: If B < S^n is a set homeomorphic to S^k for 0<=k<=n-1, then H(S^n\B) is a free abelian group with two generators, one in dimension zero and one in dimension n-k-1. Another surprise: Now that I started writing this comment, I decided to take a look at Hatcher's book, to see if the proof in Vick's book uses legitimate tools (it's a bit complicated - uses the Mayer-Vietoris sequence and some delicate topological arguments); and I found that this same theorem appears in Hatcher's book: see Proposition 2B.1(b) on page 169 (there it's phrased in terms of the reduced homology groups, for the connection see page 110.) The proof in Hatcher seems to be simpler than the one in Vick. (plus you have the book so it's simpler for you to read it) As for question b.: In Vick's book relative homology appears only in chapter 2. I don't think I'll get there in time to meet your deadline (just browsing through it does not reveal anything like an immediate answer). I hope this partial answer still helps you. I would be glad if you will allow me to post this as an answer. If you want to pay me for just 1/2 an answer, you may post a new question for the appropriate sum and explain in the question title that it's for me. If not - no worries, the knowledge I am gaining from reading this stuff is worth much more to me ;-) Cheers, dannidin p.s. mathtalk - very interesting comment, I did not realize the connection to knots. Hatcher says something about it on page 169 - check it out if you can access the pdf file. |
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Re: Computing Homology groups
From: dubois-ga on 08 Dec 2002 14:00 PST |
It is very kind of you two to work on the problem without formally answering it; I sincerely appreciate that. Very solid progress so far. A couple of things. First, I am indeed looking for the usual homology groups, rather than the reduced homology groups (although that tilda would be a tough one...). Second, in terms of the time schedule issue: it is true that after Tuesday evening a solution would mean considerably less to me. However, I would say that if one of you is confident that you can solve it by then, just go ahead and do it even if you think it will take longer than you wish to spend on it for the asking price. Then let me know how long it takes you, and I guarantee I will tip generously for your time (up to doubling the asking price if necessary) - and same with my other AT question above, if one of you wishes to solve that one. Anyway, thanks again, and please let me know if any other clarifications are necessary. |
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Re: Computing Homology groups
From: dubois-ga on 08 Dec 2002 14:15 PST |
I submitted my comment and right after I hit return I saw dannidin's last comment. So here's the story. Dannidin, like mathtalk you went out of your way to help me and I'll certainly pay you for that. It appears that I should have asked these as two separate questions, and hence, I am going to cancel this questions and pose the two parts as separate questions. For the question directed only at you dannidin, please ignore the very low asking price; I promise you that the tip will be substantially higher. However, you'll have to clarify one thing which I'll explain when I post that question. Mathtalk, should you decide to solve one of my other two questions, I will leave you an additional tip for your helpfulness on this question. If I am forgetting anything or one of you has a better suggestion, please let me know. |
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