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Shimmering Jaggies on flat screen tube tv's?
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Television Asked by: pck-ga List Price: $4.00 |
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03 May 2002 06:25 PDT
Expires: 02 Jun 2002 06:26 PDT Question ID: 12032 |
Why do flat screen, tube (ie direct view) televisions, like the Sony Wega's have trouble with curves on a normal cable broadcast? Curves appear anti-aliased, and jaggy, and shimmer when the camera moves. Especially noticable in sports. Why do cheaper, curved screens not have this problem? Is there any way to lessen the effect on normal cable broadcasts? |
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Re: Shimmering Jaggies on flat screen tube tv's?
Answered By: mvguy-ga on 03 May 2002 09:12 PDT Rated: |
Hi pck, The explanation given in an earlier comment is correct: the problem is that you're dealing with a picture that is quite sharp, so you see the imperfections that weren't there before. Yes, the flat-screen tube is still a picture tube using basically the same technology that others use. But, according to Sony, its tubes are designed to decrease bleed (technically not pixel bleed if we're dealing with an analog image): "Fine Pitch Aperture Grille uses higher tension and thicker members which help focus the electrons for outstanding detail and clarity. "High-Focus Electron Gun improves corner-to-corner focus by 20% compared to Sony's previous designs. Increased focal length led to more powerful pinpoint, corner-to-corner focus - without making the overall gun larger. "High-Precision Deflection Yoke assures that the beam spot is supremely consistent in size and shape. You get accurate image reproduction from side to side, from top to bottom." http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/wega/difference/index.html You're far from the first to notice the problem with the Wega TV: the issue has come up in various forums, especially in discussion of videogames, where the jagginess inherent in some games becomes more noticeable. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=wega+jaggies In one forum, it was suggested that the problem could be some of Sony's circuitry (called DRC) to enhance the images, but I didn't see that possibility mentioned elsewhere. But it does make sense, since the circuitry is designed to make images sharper. Some reports say it enhances the outlines of objects, and that too might increase apparent jagginess. In this discussion, one person posted an unauthorized way to adjust the circuitry, although even the person posting it says that its use could void the warranty. I'm not suggesting doing so either. http://www.agoraquest.com/viewtopic.php?topic=7&forum=34 Here is Sony's explanation of the circuitry. http://www.sony.com.ph/cool/products/drc.html Unless you want to take the drastic (and not recommended) step of modifying your TV's circuitry, the best advice is to use the focus control (assuming your model has one) to soften the picture. Decreasing the picture's contrast might help also, although obviously both of those steps might decrease picture quality in other ways. I hope this all helps, mvguy |
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Re: Shimmering Jaggies on flat screen tube tv's?
From: micke-ga on 03 May 2002 06:51 PDT |
Lines who are not horizontal or vertical. That is curves and diagonal type of lines. Will get jagged, because the picture is so much sharper! You can compare the same thing on a computer screen. By making a high contrast circle and thin lines on picture. And then view it on an old CRT (tube) screen, and a TFT (flat LCD) screen. You will directly notice the sharpness on the TFT screen. You will see EVERY little (square) pixel, and therefor get a jagged line. That is perfect for viewing Text. On the old CRT screen though, the pixels will 'melt' together. And create an illusion of a smooth circle and soft lines. That makes a more real Photo experience, but is bad for Text. |
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Re: Shimmering Jaggies on flat screen tube tv's?
From: pck-ga on 03 May 2002 07:41 PDT |
But is not a flat screen tube tv still a tube tv? Why doesn't the pixel bleed happen on it? I'm well aware of TFT's and their limitations, but suprised a tube based tv can have the same problems. Thanks for the info though. |
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Re: Shimmering Jaggies on flat screen tube tv's?
From: jeanluis-ga on 03 May 2002 13:32 PDT |
It should be noted that a line with jaggies is called aliased (because it is not the actual line that was intended, it is an alias of that line). Lines without the jaggies (lines that have been "fixed") are called anti-aliased. This site talks about it: http://html.about.com/library/weekly/aa051898.htm |
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Re: Shimmering Jaggies on flat screen tube tv's?
From: micke-ga on 04 May 2002 07:46 PDT |
>But is not a flat screen tube tv still a tube tv? Yes. >Why doesn't the pixel bleed happen on it? Because it is better made. It got a more perfect way to aim the beam of light into the aperture mask. >I'm well aware of TFT's and their limitations, The only limitation of the TFT's are the lack of the brighter colors that a CRT-tube can perform. The sharpness is outstanding in comparison. >but suprised a tube based tv can have the same problems. It is not a problem. I welcome the great job they've done, to finaly make a CRT-tube that can create a crisp sharp picture. If you want a fussy/blurry picture. Then buy the old type. >Thanks for the info though. You're welcome. |
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Re: Shimmering Jaggies on flat screen tube tv's?
From: pck-ga on 05 May 2002 10:10 PDT |
>>Why doesn't the pixel bleed happen on it? >Because it is better made. >It got a more perfect way to aim the beam of light >into the aperture mask. >>but suprised a tube based tv can have the same problems. >It is not a problem. >I welcome the great job they've done, to finaly make >a CRT-tube that can create a crisp sharp picture. >If you want a fussy/blurry picture. >Then buy the old type. I know this thread is sort-of dead, but i'd just like to say, I'm getting a "fussy/blurry" picture TV instead. I'm all for sharpness, and a good picture, but if aliasing is the price, its not worth it. Anyone who honestly says a aliased picture that is really sharp is better than a slightly "blurry" picture, that to the human eye looks much softer is better is either kidding themselves, and looking for excuses for there expensive equipment, or doesn't care as much about what they're looking at as they claim. I only hope when time comes around for HD sets, they do not suffer from aliasing - never seen a progressive scan tv before, but i hope it fixes these things. |
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