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One More AT Question
Category: Science > Math Asked by: dubois-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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07 Dec 2002 16:29 PST
Expires: 06 Jan 2003 16:29 PST Question ID: 121080 |
I am looking for a proof of the following: 1 1 1 1 2 S xS and S VS VS have isomorphic homology groups in all dimensions, but their universal covering spaces do not. n n+1 Note that S is the n-dimensional sphere, that is the subset of R 2 2 homeomorphic to {(x ,...,x ) : x +...+x =1}. Also, 1 n+1 1 n+1 AxB is the Cartesian product of A and B, and AVB is the wedge of A and B. If you wish you may use the following fact without proof: n H (S ) = 0, if 0 < i < n or i > n i Z, if i = 0 or i = n where Z is the integers. Also, feel free to appeal to standard facts from homology theory such as those found in Chapter 2 of Hatcher's Algebraic Topology (a link to this text may be found in my other question on homology theory posted on 12/6). |
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From: dannidin-ga on 09 Dec 2002 02:18 PST |
hi, two facts which you may find useful: 1. According to Vick, the homology group of S^m x S^n has four free abelian generators, of dimensions 0,m,n, and m+n. So for the torus S^1xS^1 we have H_0 = Z H_1 = Z+Z H_2 = Z H_3 = H_4 = ... = 0 2. The universal covering space of the torus is R^2, and therefore has homology groups H_0=Z, H_1=H_2=...=0. Can you clarify the meaning of S^1 v S^1 v S^2 ? I can't find the definition of wedge product in Hatcher. Vick has a definition which confuses me a bit when it comes to taking the product of three spaces - is it the space obtained when you attach a circle, a circle and a 2-sphere at one mutual point? dannidin |
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From: tomvman17-ga on 09 Dec 2002 10:38 PST |
Hi. With the comments of dannidin, there are two points to add: 1. Since X=S^1 v S^1 v S^2 is connected, H_0(X) = Z. Further, the fundamental group (by (Seifert)-van Kampen's Theorem, p.43,1.20 in Hatcher's book) is Z*Z*0 (free group product of Z with Z with the trivial group). Since H_1(X)=pi_1^ab=Z^2 (H_1=abelianized Pi ("small Hurewitz theorem") for connected spaces (chapter 2.A in Hatcher)). H_2(X) = Z (if needed by an obvious CW-construction (1 0-cell,2 1-cells,1 2-cell). H_k(X) = 0 for k>=3 (CW dimension argument). 2. Universal covering for X: This can be constructed as follows: Take the Cayley-Graph of Z*Z (cf. Hatcher p.59) and attach a S^2 at every Knot (with its "basepoint"). This is a covering space of X as only the "knots" need to be checked and this works as on p.59). Now, the space is clearly connected and simply connected (take a loop, shrink it to the basepoint of each sphere it touches, this is a homotopy, then argue as on p.59), thus it is a universal covering space for X. Homology: H_0=Z clear, H_1=0=pi_1^ab, H_k=0 for k>=3 (Dimension of CW construction). Another CW-argument (I think the CW-construction I have in mind is obvious) shows that H^2 contains an infinite direct Sum of Z's. (One for each Sphere, the cellular chains (corresponding to the generator of C_2(S^2) on each copy of S^2 in the covering space) are obviously cycles, but they cannot be boundaries since the dimension of the CW-complex is 2). I guess now we know that the H^2's of the covering spaces differ, even though we have not completely computed the second one. I don't know whether this is all you need, so this is just a comment. Regards T. |
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From: dubois-ga on 09 Dec 2002 14:03 PST |
Hello Dannidin and Tomvman17, Thank you for your comments. It looks as if all the elements of a solution are essentially there. While I genuinely appreciate your contribution, Dannidin, I suppose the question ought to go to tomvman17 as most of what I need clarified pertains to what he wrote. However, if you want to tackle your fears and solve the remaining question, I'll leave a tip on that one to acknowledge your contribution here. Tomvman17, I'll give you credit for the answer, but I would be quite grateful if you could include considerably more detail (as if you were an undergrad writing this up to be graded). For example, why is the universal covering space of the torus R^2, why does the abelianization of pi_1 equal pi_1, write out all the CW arguments, elaborate on the proof that H_2(universal covering space for the wedge) is non-zero, etc. The only thing which does not need elaboration is the computation of the homology group of the torus, as I have found a proof of the S^m x S^n result. If you could do this within the next 24 hours, that would be great. BTW, I am reducing the asking price and will leave you the amount you would have received in the form of a tip, as was my arrangement with Dannidin. Thanks. |
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From: tomvman17-ga on 10 Dec 2002 02:06 PST |
Hi. I don't quite know how detailed it has to be, but here is a try: R^2 is the universal covering space of T=S^1xS^1=R^2/Z^2 because it is simply connected and a covering space (since T is a quotient of the properly discontinous action of Z^2 (translation on R^2). H_1 of X=S^1vS^1vS^2 > why does the abelianization of pi_1 equal pi_1 ?. Why is H_1=pi_1^ab for connected paces? This is a theorem of Hurewitz, best quoted (See Hatcher 2.A, it also in Bredon IV.3 (where I learnt it from) as one of the first items on Homology). You can also argue directly by Hatcher p. 126, Corollary 2.25 that H_1(X)=H_1(S^1)+H_1(S^1)+H_1(S^2)=Z+Z+0. H_k(X) = 0 for k>=3 (construct CW-Complex with 1 0-Cell (Basepoint), 2 1-Cells and 1 2-Cell (for the S^1s and S^2 respectively). Now you don't have (k>=3)-Cells, thus H_k(X)=0 for k>=0 (If this isn't counted as commonly known: Hatcher Chapter 2 Lemma 2.34 p. 137 - I primarily quote Hatcher because this seems to be your preferred book). Y = Universal covering space (Cayley-graph of Z*Z with spheres attached). CW-construction: Take one 0-cell for earch word in Z*Z (i.e. for each knot in the graph). Take 1-cells for the edges of the graph. Attach a 2-cell to each knot with the attaching map constant to the knot. This is connected, thus H_0=Z. This is simply connected: If a loop is in any spheres, you can homotope that section of the path to the basepoint (because S^2 is simply connected), thus it is now a loop in the Cayley-Graph. For this Hatcher gives the contraction on p. 59. Thus H_1(Y)=(Hurewitz)pi_1(Y)=0 Y is a connected and simply connected covering space of X, thus a universal covering space. Since the CW-Dimension of Y is 2, H_k=0 for k>=3 as above. Now H_2 (sorry to have written H^2 in my previous comment...): If you don't like the CW-argument, consider the following segment of long exact homology squence of the CW-pair (Y^2,Y^1) where Y^k is the k-skeleton: H_2(Y^1)->H_2(Y^2)->H_2(Y^2,Y^1)->H_1(Y_1) Now H_2(Y^1)=0 (again Hatcher Ch. 2 Lemma 2.34 p. 137). H_2(Y^2,Y^1) is free abelian with basis Z*Z (same lemma) Note that Y^1 is the Cayley-Graph of Z*Z = Universal Covering of S^1vS^1: H_1(Y^1) = pi_1(Y^1)^ab (Hurewitz) = 0 because it is simply connected. Thus 0->H_2(Y^2)->(Free abelian group with Basis Z*Z)->0, i.e. we get an Isomorphism. (I've previously refrained from claiming Iso because I remember a similar excercise where one had to be careful.) Is that detailed enough? I've never been an undergrad who writes up things to be scored, so I cannot really tell. Regards T. |
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From: dubois-ga on 10 Dec 2002 17:16 PST |
Looks good. If you clarify the points mentioned below and formally post it as an answer, I'll leave you your money. Points I would like clarification on: 1) You compute H_2(Y) by proving H_2(Y^2) is isomorphic to the free abelian group with basis Z*Z; why is the 2-skeleton of Y equal to Y? 2) Please explicitly write out the CW argument for computing H_2(Y) which gives this same result. 3) Could you either write out or refer me to a proof for the homology groups of R^2 ? Thank you. |
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Re: One More AT Question
From: dannidin-ga on 11 Dec 2002 00:32 PST |
dubois, regarding item 3 on your list of requests for clarification: R^2 is contractible, so it has the homotopy type of a point, and therefore the same homology groups as a point: H_0=Z (because of one connected component) and all H_n, n>0 are 0 (on a one point space there is only one singular simplex of each dimension so it's very easy to compute). by the way i'm not trying to stake a claim on this question, tomvman17 earned it fair and square... i'm glad to see you found an answer to all of your AT questions. cheers, dannidin |
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From: tomvman17-ga on 11 Dec 2002 02:32 PST |
This leaves 1 and 2: ad 1 Since the k-Skeleton of a CW-Complex is the subcomplex of the cells with Dimension<=k, for k=dimension(=highest dimension of cell=here 2) you end up with the CW-Complex. ad 2 I will remark that the exact sequence argument seems quicker and nicer, but here you go: The attaching map S^2=boundary(D^2) of each 2-cell is constant to a 0-cell (thus having "degree 0" in the sense of the cellular boundary formula p.140 of Hatcher). Therefore the induced differential C_2->C_1 in the cellular chain complex is 0. Since C_3=0 (there are no 3-cells in the CW-complex), we have that the cellular homology H^{CW}_2(Y)=C_2(Y)=(free abelian group generated by Z*Z), and, of course H^{CW}=H (p.139 Thm. 2.35). . |
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Re: One More AT Question
From: dubois-ga on 11 Dec 2002 12:58 PST |
Tomvman17, everything looks quite good. Click answer and I'll give you your rating and tip. Dannidin, thank you for all your help. I really appreciate it, and I'll acknowledge it if you answer future questions of mine. I am grateful to all the math researchers for solving all of my questions. |
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From: tomvman17-ga on 12 Dec 2002 03:05 PST |
Hm. Sorry. Just found out, that there is no answer button. Regards T. |
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From: dubois-ga on 12 Dec 2002 16:50 PST |
Tomvman17, when you say that there is no answer button, do you mean that there is a problem with Google's software, or that you are not actually a researcher? |
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From: tomvman17-ga on 13 Dec 2002 03:24 PST |
Yes, upon closer inspection, I'm not a researcher. Either I'm a scam artist or I reaffirm anyone in the prejudice that mathematicians get carried away with mathematics to not care about the simple things. I only registered at google answers when it was brand new and always had thought about it more as a peer service... Anyhow. I hope the answers were still of value to you. Regards T. |
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From: dubois-ga on 16 Dec 2002 14:54 PST |
Please pardon my last comment; I certainly was not trying to accuse you of anything, rather, I was slightly puzzled. I am sorry that the system is constructed such that I cannot compensate you in any way. However, your answers were of the greatest use to me and I am extremely grateful for your time and generosity. I owe you one! |
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