I want to locate a purchaseable copy of the following CD.
It has to be this CD and no other.
J.S Bach: Organ Works - Helmut Walcha
Triosonaten BWV 525 & 530
Schubler-Chorale
BWV 645-650
Choralpartita BWV 768
429 935-2 ARCHIV PRODUKTION Mono
Apparently it is no longer printed and DG no longer have the master tape. |
Request for Question Clarification by
nellie_bly-ga
on
09 Dec 2002 07:45 PST
I have located the following recording, which appears to contain the
works you listed. However, it has a different catalog number.
Please tell me if this recording is acceptable.
Bach: Organ Works
Code: CL176857
Released: Oct/1998
Format: Compact Disc
Label: The Originals
Cat. Ref.: 457 704-2GOR
Work Listing
Toccata and Fugue
Composer: Bach
Organ: Helmut Walcha
(6) Trio Sonatas
Composer: Bach
Organ: Helmut Walcha
Chorale Variations
Composer: Bach
Organ: Helmut Walcha
Preludes and Fugues
Composer: Bach
Organ: Helmut Walcha
(6) Schubler Chorales
Composer: Bach
Organ: Helmut Walcha
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Clarification of Question by
markpeatfield-ga
on
10 Dec 2002 00:51 PST
It has to be this CD and no other. The tracks on this CD were played
on the little organ in St Jakobi in Lubeck in 1947. They were one of
the first recordings made by Archiv. They were later superceded by
other recordings on other organs (all of which I have). To my
knowledge these early recordings only made it on to one CD. I have the
CD box - all I am missing is the CD.
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Request for Question Clarification by
nellie_bly-ga
on
10 Dec 2002 05:49 PST
I have e-mailed the CD vendor asking for the recording locale of the newer CD.
Meanwhile, I'll continue searching for 429 935-2.
Nellie Bly
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Good news!
It is indeed the same recording. Deutsche Gramophon (who own Archiv)
have re-released many of the older recordings from Archiv under the
Deutsche Gramophon Originals label.
You can purchase the recording at musica.co.uk for 9 pounds.
http://www.musica.co.uk/musica/screen__PRODUCT/category__CL176857.htm
Enjoy. Any recording by Walcha is fine listening, this one must be
particularly excellent.
Nellie Bly |
Request for Answer Clarification by
markpeatfield-ga
on
10 Dec 2002 08:57 PST
Nice try but no cigar.
These are NOT the same recordings. I already have this CD. Most of
these these recordings were made later on a different organ (Sep.
1956, Alkmaar, Holland)
whereas the ones I want were made in approx Aug. 1947, Lübeck and
appear on the CD with the catalogue number I have quoted.
This is why I specified twice that a substitute would not do.
You will not find a modern printing of the 1947 tracks because
DG/Archiv have destroyed/mislaid the master tape. If a copy exists
then it will be second-hand or in a library somewhere. I have a CD box
missing a CD. I cannot be the only person in the world who has a copy
of this CD.
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Clarification of Answer by
nellie_bly-ga
on
10 Dec 2002 10:34 PST
I regret the problem. I was simply quoting the musica.co.uk
representative.
I have no other way of verifying the content of the CD. I have
emailed them again for further information. Should they prove to have
been mistaken in their intial description, I shall have the Google
editors withdraw my answer.
Nellie Bly
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Request for Answer Clarification by
markpeatfield-ga
on
11 Dec 2002 01:43 PST
Hi Nellie
I apologise for the terseness of my reply but I am in a bit of hurry.
You've made two, in my opinion, erroneous assumptions about me and my
question.
Your first assumption was that I didn't really know what I wanted.
I've said twice that "It has to be this CD and no other". I said this
because I know and I have informed you that it is no longer in print.
Despite this you have offered me substitute recordings. At the risk of
sounding abrasive, if I wanted a substitute I would have asked for
one.
Your second assumption is that www.musica.co.uk would know better than
I. I find this a little insulting. They are, after all, a retail
outlet. I could be a Professor of Music with an abiding fascination
with Walcha and his recordings. If you cannot take my word for it,
look at the photographic reproduction of the jewel case on Amazon you
will see at the bottom that the recordings were made in Alkmaar - not
Lubeck.
If you do not have access to sources which could find this CD for me
then I think a full refund is appropriate. It's not a lot of money but
it will stick in my craw if I have to pay for redundant information
and I will not be encouraged to use this service again. I will
possibly repost the question at a higher rate if it requires more
extensive research.
best regards
Mark
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Clarification of Answer by
nellie_bly-ga
on
11 Dec 2002 06:48 PST
I shall, as I stated previously, ask the Google editors to withdraw my
answer, since you believe my information to be erroneous and obviously
are displeased with my efforts and assume I have no knowledge of music
despite the fact that I could be a graduate of Julliard.
However, I should like to point out that the CD you refer to at Amazon
(Polygram Records - #457704) is NOT the same as the one in the Musica
catalog (DG 457 704-2), which, in a second email, Musica reiterated as
a re-lease of
Activ 429 935-2.
I have emailed DG for further clarification but am told one may not
expect an answer from DG for one or two weeks.
Please also note that I have searched and/or telephoned more than 30
vendors of classical music(several of them dealing only in rare or
out-of-print recordings)in the North America, Europe and South Africa
on your behalf.
I am sorry that you are displeased.
Nellie Bly
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Request for Answer Clarification by
markpeatfield-ga
on
11 Dec 2002 08:09 PST
Nellie,
While I apologise for the tone of the email which you have obviously
taken personally I am at a loss to how to take your statement
that:(Polygram Records - #457704) is NOT the same as the one in the
Musica catalog (DG 457 704-2)
How do these differ?
http://www.musica.co.uk/musica/screen__PRODUCT/category__CL176857.htm
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000613W/o/qid=1039620659/sr=2-1/ref=sr_bt_1/202-0614171-5176619
I don't see how the 'Originals' CD can be a re-release of Archiv 429
935-2 as Musica claim. It does not even have the same track listing
(missing Triosonate No 6. BWV 530). Either Musica have misled you or
they are privy to information which contradicts the sleeve
information. What's probably happened is that DG have decided that the
older recordings (1947) are inferior to the newer ones and can be
safely replaced in the catalog by newer versions. I disagree but I am
obviously in the minority.
On balance though I appreciate the effort you've put into this, I
shall not be requiring a refund and shall mark the answer for effort
rather than results.
Best regards
Mark
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Clarification of Answer by
nellie_bly-ga
on
11 Dec 2002 08:43 PST
Well, at least I see part of the problem. You were looking at
Amazon.com.UK and I at Amazon.com. in the USA.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000613W/qid=1039616880/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/002-4379898-4384020#product-details
Indeed, the listing at Amazon UK does appear to be the same as that
listed at musica. Ergo, I was misled by musica.
So, let me pursue the few more leads I have, although I don't hold out
much hope of finding the original. Parnassus, which as I'm sure you
know, specializes in out-of-print recordings has not seen a copy in
more than five years. They would be happy to create a "want list"
entry for you, should you wish.
http://www.parnassusrecords.com/wantlist.htm
Thank you for the rating on effort, but I should like to find this
recording for you.
Nellie Bly
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Clarification of Answer by
nellie_bly-ga
on
11 Dec 2002 20:23 PST
Mark--
I have been to 47 sites. I have no more ideas. I'm beginning to
believe you are, indeed, the last person to have a vestige of this CD.
I've registered with several search sites. Maybe that will yield
something, although I'm doubtful. I did not register with Parnassus
search. Did you? Do you wish me to? We've even got one of the
Researchers in Lubeck looking for it there.
I've not investigated libraries... if a copy could be found in a
library would you want to borrow and copy it?
Have you contacted the various organ societies, perhaps posting a
notice on bulletin boards there? I checked a couple with CD catalogs
with no luck.
Except for waiting for replies from the searches, I'm going to have to
leave off from the search. Do keep the question open so that we can
post anything that might come in in the next few weeks.
Let me know if you have any fresh ideas.
Nellie Bly
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