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Subject: thermodynamic mete
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Posted: 13 Dec 2002 10:54 PST
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A few questions on thermodynamic meteorology. Please show work:
1.What is the specific volume of a sample of air with a pressure of
100 mb, a temperature of -23C and a vapor pressure of 1mb.

2.calculate change in entropy when 5 g of water at 0C are raised to
100 C and converted to steam at that temperature.

3. A sample of air is saturated at a pressure of 1000 mb and
temperature 0 C. Calculate its virtual temperature.

4. Calculate the potential temperature of a parcel of air with a
temperature of 0 C and a pressure of 500 mb, assuming a) the air is
perfectly dry; B) the air has the maximum possible mixing ratio at
saturation of 7.7 g kg-1.

5. show for water near 0 C whose vapor is ideal that :
 L evaporation= 597.3-0.566(T-273)cal g-1
                and 
 L sublimation = 677.0 - 0.062(T-273) cal g-1

6.If air contains water vapor with a mixing ration of 5.5 g kg-1 and
the total pressure is 1026.8 mb, calculate the vapor pressure e. (that
weirdly written small e)
    Thank you so much. I really need your help! 

                                                  Carol
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Subject: Re: thermodynamic mete
Answered By: synarchy-ga on 13 Dec 2002 23:15 PST
 
Hi - 

In researching this question, I came across a set of lectures online
from the University of Washington which address many of the issues
raised by these questions.  Where applicable, I've reference the
particular note set used for the calculations.  The general web-site
can be found here:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998Q4/501/

Another very good website from theweatherprediction.com website
listing equations is:
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/basic/equations/

1) In the case of dry air, the normal gas law equation can be used to
calculate the density (specific volume) of air given the temperature
and pressure.  As question does not relate to dry air, consideration
must be given to the effect of water vapor upon the behavior of the
air sample.  Water, at molecular weight of 18, is lighter than the
rest of the air, at an average molecular weight of around 29, and thus
displaces heavier air.  One method of taking this into account is
through the use of 'virtual temperatures' - this effectively
calculates a temperature at which dry air would behave as the mixture
of air in the sample performs due to the vapor.  Once the 'virtual
temperature' is calculated, it can be used in the regular gas law
equation to calculate the density of the air.  From the University of
Washington lecture page, begins at bottom of page 12:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998Q4/501/notes1.7.pdf
Also can be found here:
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/basic/equations/

Virtual temperature is calculated by:

              T                          250 K
Tv = ----------------------- = --------------------------- = 251 K
            e                         1mb
     [ 1 - --- * ( 1 - ew )]   [ 1 - ----- * ( 1 - 0.621 )
            p                        100mb

where T = temperature (in Kelvin)  Tv = virtual temperature
      p = pressure    e = partial pressure water vapor   
      ew (epsilon w) = mass fraction water/air = 18/28.97 = 0.621

And then using the gas law equation (rearranged to solve for density)

        p            100mb            10000kPa       10000 kg/ms2
d = --------- = ----------------- = -------------- = ------------ =
0.139 kg/m3
      R * Tv    287m2/s2K * 251K      72037 m2/s2    72037 m2/s2

where d = density (specific volume)   p = pressure   Tv = virtual
temperature
      R = gas constant = 287 m2/s2K

2)  The simplest way to calculate the entropy of bringing 5g of water
at 0 Celsius to steam at 100 Celsius is to break the problem into two
portions - the first, calculation of the change in entropy in bringing
water from 0-100 Celsius - given by texts as 23.55 J/mol*K, which for
5g of water (5g water/18 g/mole = 0.28 moles) = 6.5 J/K.  The entropy
change from water to steam at 100 Celsius is given by texts as 108.98
J/mol*K which is 30.5 J/K.  Adding the two together gives an entropy
change of 32 J/K for the change.

   The more complicated way involves using the following equations
from:
http://wendigo.unl.edu/~gerry/CHEM471/notes/lecture_9_notes.pdf

To calculate first the change in entropy for the heating of the water
from 0-100 Celsius

dS = Cw * ln ( T2/T1 ) = 75.4 J/mol*K * ln (373/273) = 23.5 J/mol*K

where dS = change in entropy    Cw = heat capacity of water (assumed
constant at 75.4 J/mol*K)  T2 = temp 2 (373 Kelvin)  T1 = temp 1 (273
Kelvin)

To calculate the change in entropy for the state change:


dS = Hw / T = 40667 J/mol / 373 K = 108.98 J/mol*K

where ds = change in entropy    Hw = molar heat of vaporization of
water   T = temperature of vaporization = 373 K

Once we have the values calculated, the computation is the same as if
we had looked up the values (first paragraph)

3) The virtual temperature can also be calculated using the mixing
ratio of water vapor to air (versus the partial pressure as in #1)
using the following equation - same reference as #1, and the saturated
mixing ratio of 7.7 g/kg:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998Q4/501/notes1.7.pdf
The same equation can also be found here:
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/basic/equations/


Tv = ( 1 + qv ) * T  =  ( 1 + 0.0077 ) * 273 K = 275 K

where T = temperature  Tv = virtual temperature    qv = mixing ratio
water/air

4)  The potential temperature is the temperature of a sample of air if
moved to a pressure of 1000mb via an adiabatic process

A) In the case of dry air, solution from theweatherprediction.com:
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/basic/equations/

Tp = T * ( 1000mb / p ) ^ (R/Cp) = 273K * ( 1000mb / 500 mb ) ^ 0.286
= 333 K

where T = temperature   Tp = potential temperature  p = pressure
      R = gas constant  Cp = constant process factor   R/Cp ~= 0.286

B) In the case of saturated air, the equivalent potential temperature
can be calculated - this is the potential temperature of the same air
parcel if it were dry - equation from theweatherprediction.com:
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/basic/equations/

Ep = T * (1000mb/p)^(R/Cp) + 3qv = 273K *(1000mb/500 mb)^0.286+3(7.7)=
 356 K

where Ep = Equivalent potential temperature  T = temperature  p =
pressure
      R = gas constant  Cp = constant process factor   R/Cp ~= 0.286
      qv = mixing fraction (in grams/kilogram)

5)  The latent heat of evaporation is an empirically determined
formula, written in SI units, with T in degrees Celsius - from:
http://www.jgsee.kmutt.ac.th/exell/JEE661/JEE661Lecture2.html

Levap = 2501 - 2.375T kJ/kg

converting from kJ/kg to cal/g is done by dividing by 4.18 J/cal and
multiplying by 1kg/1000g.  Converting from Kelvin to Celsius is
(T-273).

L evap = 597.3 - 0.566(T-273)

The latent heat of sublimation is also empirically determined

L sub = 2830 - 0.026T kJ/kg  with T in Celsius

Conversion is as above to yield

L sub = 677 - 0.062(T-273) cal/g

6)  The vapor pressure of water can be calculated from the pressure
and mixing ratio using a few simple relations.  Also from the
University of Washington pages:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998Q4/501/notes1.pdf
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998Q4/501/notes1.7.pdf
And from theweatherprediction.com:
http://www.theweatherprediction.com/basic/equations/

the vapor pressure is related to the total pressure and mixing ratio
by the following equation:

      qv * p        0.0055 * 1026.8 mb
e = ------------ = ------------------- = 9.0 mb
    (0.622 + qv)     (0.621 + 0.0055)

where e = vapor pressure of water   p = pressure   qv = mixing ratio
      


==============================================================

Please let me know if you have further questions.


 
Search strategy:
Google: thermodynamic meteorology gas law
Google: "latent heat of vaporization" thermodynamic meteorology
Google: entropy vaporization water

Request for Answer Clarification by carolkardon-ga on 14 Dec 2002 05:05 PST
HI!
  Thank you so much for your help. I am a 52 year old who is trying to
self teach myself more about this subject for fun (and to keep the
brain from growing stale), so with no one to help me, I can get
swamped easily. Could you please clarify exactly what the answer is
for each question. In all those numbers and my bifocals, it is hard to
find it. I will be probably needing more help later as I move thru the
books and websites. Look forward to more of your help.   thank you.
                                        Carol

Clarification of Answer by synarchy-ga on 14 Dec 2002 17:26 PST
Hi - glad to help - I'm not sure very many people consider learning
about thermodynamics to be fun; I know that I sure didn't when I took
it (albeit about 10 years ago).

If you need any more explanation (or if the answers are not in the
same format as your study materials and you would like help converting
them), please let me know.

synarchy

1) 251 K

2) 32 J/K

3) 275 K

4) 
 A) 333 K
 B) 356 K

5) The answer is the entire explanation given:
The latent heat of evaporation is an empirically determined
formula, written in SI units, with T in degrees Celsius - from:
http://www.jgsee.kmutt.ac.th/exell/JEE661/JEE661Lecture2.html 
 
Levap = 2501 - 2.375T kJ/kg 
 
converting from kJ/kg to cal/g is done by dividing by 4.18 J/cal and
multiplying by 1kg/1000g.  Converting from Kelvin to Celsius is
(T-273).
 
L evap = 597.3 - 0.566(T-273) 
 
The latent heat of sublimation is also empirically determined 
 
L sub = 2830 - 0.026T kJ/kg  with T in Celsius 
 
Conversion is as above to yield 
 
L sub = 677 - 0.062(T-273) cal/g 

6) 9 mb

Request for Answer Clarification by carolkardon-ga on 18 Dec 2002 11:54 PST
Hello!
   I need another clarification: the first question asked for specific
volume and on the other clarification, you have listed 251 K as the
answer for that question. What would the specific volume be on that?
Thank you so much for your help. As I look through the others, I'll be
sure to ask.
                                                    Carol

Request for Answer Clarification by carolkardon-ga on 18 Dec 2002 12:12 PST
Hi!
   I knew I would need another clarification! what does the symbol ^
mean? Is it multiplication or what?
  also, on question 6, the pressure in the question is 900 mb, but in
the equation it is listed as 1026.8 mb. How did you get that? and
where is the .622 from (it becomes .621 in the actual equation.
             Thank you again so much. 
                                            Carol

Clarification of Answer by synarchy-ga on 18 Dec 2002 16:57 PST
Hi - happy to answer your questions -

1) In response to your clarification for the answers, I typed the
virtual temperature which I used to calculate the specific volume - my
apologies - the specific volume is 0.139 kg/m3.

4) The symbol ^  is used to signify exponents - eg  x^2 = x squared  
   as they are difficult to represent otherwise     x^3 = x cubed
                                                    etc...
so, 

6) In your original post the value is given as 1026.8 mb - if you
would like me to solve the equation for 900 mb instead I would be
happy to.
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