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Q: Church renovation in Brooklyn Heights ( Answered 3 out of 5 stars,   0 Comments )
Subject: Church renovation in Brooklyn Heights
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: npg-ga
List Price: $15.50
Posted: 13 Dec 2002 13:11 PST
Expires: 12 Jan 2003 13:11 PST
Question ID: 124331
There is a church undergoing renovation in Brooklyn, NY.  It is
located directly on the NE corner of the intersection of Clinton St.
and Livingstone St.  The area is Brooklyn Heights.   My question is
this:  when is the renovation scheduled to end?

Request for Question Clarification by ragingacademic-ga on 13 Dec 2002 21:06 PST
npg - 

Could you please provide an address and the name of said church?
I'm sure someone will be able to find the relevant information!

Subject: Re: Church renovation in Brooklyn Heights
Answered By: angy-ga on 14 Dec 2002 00:23 PST
Rated:3 out of 5 stars
Hi,npg-ga !

This took some digging, but I have found the information for you. The
work is scheduled to end in 2003.

The church you are interested in is the old  St. Ann's Protestant
Episcopalian Church, dating from 1784, and known as the Mother of
Brooklyn Churches. (I've placed some links to the History of the
church itself below.)  It amalgamated with Holy Trinity, and the joint
congregations worship at St. Ann and the Holy Trinity on Montague St.
The church building you see was completed in 1969 from plans by
Renwick and Sands.

The original St. Ann's building was sold in 1969 to the Packer
Collegiate Institute.

"The Packer Collegiate Institute is an independent, college
preparatory day school providing coeducational programs from Preschool
through Grade 12. The oldest independent school in Brooklyn, Packer
was founded in 1845 in the historic district of Brooklyn Heights. "

Here there is a note about the construction work:

"A $23 million dollar construction project, known as Building on
Success, scheduled for completion in 2003, will transform the former
St. Ann's church (upper left) into a new Middle School facility."

There is a picture.

If you want further details clicking on "Building on Success" brings
you to:

- a section of the website where you can read about their plans for
the school, and view the architectural plans at:

Here you can see they are constructing what is virtually a new five
story building containing classrooms within the structure of the old
church building,  The progress of the development can be monitored at:

You will notice that structural work has just been completed on the
second and third floors. There are some good photographs.

For some historical material on St. Ann's church try:

From the (1939) WPA Guide to New York City: 

"St. Ann's Church (Protestant Episcopal), 131 Clinton Street, at
Livingston Street, is known as the Mother of Brooklyn Churches. Its
parishioners have helped to organize St. Mary's, St. Luke's, two St.
Paul's, St. John's, and Christ Church. St. Ann's dates from 1784, when
its founding members held services at 40 Fulton Street, then the home
of Garret Rappelje. Its first building was erected in 1805 at
Washington and Sands Streets. In 1825 it moved into a brick edifice,
and in 1869 into its present quarters, a Gothic structure with
traceried gables and heavy buttresses, completed in 1869 from plans by
Renwick and Sands. In its record books the baptisms of Negroes are
noted as "black" and "free black." "

Ian Baldwin's "Brooklyn for Beginners" is at:

He says "Along the way, at Livingston Street, you'll pass the original
home of St. Ann's, whose congregation has merged with Holy Trinity's.
The bulky, ornate building is an imposing presence on these narrow
streets. "

Another Brooklyn site:

gave me the contact details of  St Ann & The Holy Trinity and led me
to their website:

where the history of both buildings can be found at:

Thank you for an interesting question.

Search strategy:

"Brooklyn Heights church Clinton Livingston"

This identified St. Anne's and drew the merge with Holy Trinity to my
attention and gave me its address.

"157 Montague Brooklyn Heights NY"

This eventually led to the information about the sale of the building.

"Packer Collegiate Institute St. Ann's"

This led to the information about the building project.

Clarification of Answer by angy-ga on 16 Dec 2002 19:14 PST
Hi, Nick !

Sorry about the typo. The building was of course completed in 1869 and
sold in 1969.

As for the exact date, I rather assume they're not giving it because
of the many, many things which can happen to delay building projects -
usually building contracts are full of clauses covering delays. I
imagine directly contacting the school might give you a closer guess ?
They do not seem to have an enquiries email address on their site but
their phone number is given as:
(718) 250-0266

I'd gladly phone them for you, but I'm in Australia, and your business
hours are my night.

I hope this helps.

Request for Answer Clarification by npg-ga on 16 Dec 2002 21:22 PST
Thanks for the phone number.  One other resource that occurred to me
to look in (for the sake of searcher professional interest, I do not
expect you to look for it) is the city organization that approves
building plans - this project has a building permit (for a certain
period of time) and it may be accessible online. Of course, even if
there is a building permit through say Feb. it's possible they could
get an extension or something.

I actually live around the corner from this church and the
construction noise is a major annoyance, hence the curiosity.

Where are you located in Australia?  I used to live in Sydney, when I
was very young.

If you have the inclination to answer - how do you like being a
researcher, and when did you get hooked up with it?  I would love to
get in on the gig, but apparently demand for these positions is very
high.  I'm no web neophyte, but this network Google has set up is just
_so cool_.  I really think it's going to be huge.  It is possible I
will be writing an article on this service in the next month or so. 
If you would be interested in contributing some comments let me know.


Clarification of Answer by angy-ga on 16 Dec 2002 23:52 PST
Hi, Nick !

Yes, I wondered whether noise was the problem.

They seem to have taken about 10 weeks to do the steel work for the
first three floors out of five, as well as some demolition work. That
would suggest another six weeks or so of the steelwork, to be followed
by drills and nail guns as they clad the walls etc which will probably
be progressively less noisy as the rooms become more and more
complete. But I'm only guessing. It's definitely intended to finish it
next year, but which month isn't clear.

I do live in Sydney, having emigrated from England in 1969. I joined
the Google research team in July and throughly enjoy the work, which
has the advantage that I can fit it in around other committments. I
think that's what appeals to many of the researchers, who are an
interesting bunch of all ages from all over the world.


npg-ga rated this answer:3 out of 5 stars
This was a very comprehensive answer, with more detail than I
expected.  The only disappointment was that I was hoping for both a
month and year for the expected completion.  However, I realize that I
did not specify that in my question, so I can't really complain. 
Also, there is a typo in the answer (I mention for completeness, it's
not really a problem.)  In the second paragraph the date '1869' is
mistyped as '1969', which was momentarily confusing.

But all in all a very satisfying answer! Thanks!


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