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Subject: civil war
Category: Reference, Education and News
Asked by: doug4722-ga
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Posted: 13 Dec 2002 22:44 PST
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Question ID: 124518
what was a battle in the civil war with 100% fatality...between a
missouri and illinois forces

Request for Question Clarification by digsalot-ga on 14 Dec 2002 00:58 PST
Do you mean 100% fatality on "both" sides or simply one side wiping
out the other?  If the latter, I know the battle, some of the names
involved, and location.

Clarification of Question by doug4722-ga on 14 Dec 2002 08:41 PST
i was listening to a paul harvey radio show 2 or 3 years ago and i
heard .the rest of the story about a battle of the civil war with both
sides 100% fatality except a leader on one side from a different
area...it had to do with the Jackson County Missouri Militia and im
not sure about the other side(North) but i think it was
Illinois...this would have some very interesting implications for
Mormon History buffs...thanks for your efforts

Request for Question Clarification by revbrenda1st-ga on 14 Dec 2002 10:39 PST
Hi doug4722,

I've checked all CW battles in and around Missouri and didn't find
anything like the one in your question. The National Parks Service
battlefield inventories for each is listed chronologically at this
site:

http://www.mid-mo.net/dpara/civilwar/battles/

Estimated numbers of casualties per side are provided where known, and
usually the size of the opposing forces.

My assumption that the battle occurred in Missouri is obviously
incorrect. Can  you recall anything about its location?

Clarification of Question by doug4722-ga on 15 Dec 2002 12:39 PST
i cant recall where the battle was supposed to have taken
place...maybe a search of Paul Harvey archives would be possible?

Clarification of Question by doug4722-ga on 15 Dec 2002 12:42 PST
to digsalot...maybe the battle you are referring to is the one
mentioned..did it involve the jackson county missouri militia? if not
then that is not the one mentioned by paul harvey

Request for Question Clarification by digsalot-ga on 15 Dec 2002 22:39 PST
The battle I'm thinking of took place in Boone County, Missouri.  It
resulted in the deaths of all Union forces with the exception of one
who was removed from a train and spared in an earlier attack.  That
could be the 'leader' from another area you are speaking of.  He was a
sergeant in the Union Army, Thomas Goodman, and he wrote of the
events.

The southern forces included both Frank and Jesse James.  These
southern forces were more on the order of guerrilla forces, with only
a loose attachment to the Confederate Military.

The Union Force involved was a unit of the Thirty-ninth Missouri
Infantry.  It's headquarters were at Benton Barracks, but Benton
Barracks is in St Louis County.  However a large number of them were
from the section of the state which includes Jackson County.  There
might have been some confusion there.  Paul H. has been known to make
errors (and he has always corrected them when he found out about
them.)  He can only be as good as his staff researchers.  So, I guess
that leaves the Jackson County thing up in the air.  A reading of the
history of Jackson County doesn't mention the 39th or any other
military establishment at all.

The battle involved is the Battle of Centralia, Mo.  The Union forces
were eliminated.

" The inexperienced Federal troops, with their single shot riles
followed the traditional warfare practice of advancing on foot,
leaving their horses tended by a few soldiers. They marched into a
three-sided formation of several hundred hidden guerrillas, each armed
with several Colt revolvers, and within minutes, the Union troops were
nearly annihilated. The few soldiers that were not killed on the first
guerrilla vollies, ran back to their horses, but the guerrillas with
their faster horses, overtook the fleeing troops and within the hour,
over 120 soldiers were killed. Some nearly reached the sanctuary of
Sturgeon some ten miles from the battle- ground, before the guerrillas
completed the rout." - Quote from an official publication by the City
of Centralia.

So much of this comes so close to what you are asking, but doesn't
quite meet the mark.  Could there be the possibility there was some
error in the Paul H. report which throws things off a tad?  Or (and I
hate to ask it), since it has been a couple of years since you heard
it, could there possibly be a memory error?

Cheers
digsalot
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Comments  
Subject: Re: civil war
From: justaskscott-ga on 15 Dec 2002 22:53 PST
 
I hadn't done any research on the topic, but I was thinking along the
same lines as digsalot.  I remember reading about Frank and Jesse
James, their association with William Quantrill, and the very bloody
fighting in which they were involved in Missouri during the Civil War.
 So, for what it's worth, I think digsalot's suggestion makes sense,
especially since Illinois and Missouri were both on the Union side
(though some people from Missouri fought for the Confederacy), meaning
that the official forces from those two states would not have fought
each other.

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