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time
Category: Science Asked by: forafundj-ga List Price: $4.00 |
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03 May 2002 18:52 PDT
Expires: 10 May 2002 18:52 PDT Question ID: 13065 |
Obviously one minute after midnight is 12:01 AM. But is midnight 12:00 AM or 12:00 PM? |
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Re: time
Answered By: missy-ga on 03 May 2002 19:11 PDT Rated: |
Hi there! Midnight is...midnight. It is neither AM nor PM! At least, that's what the Random House Dictionary of the English Language (2nd Edition) and several other sources say: "The period from midnight until noon is a.m. One minute before noon is 11:59 a.m. One minute after noon is 12:01 p.m. Many people distinguish between noon and midnight by saying 12 noon and 12 midnight. Noon and midnight are neither a.m. nor p.m." "Boston Public Library FAQ" [ http://www.bpl.org/research/telref/faqs.htm ] "GreenwichMeanTime.com" [ http://greenwichmeantime.com/info/noon.htm ] "Useless Knowledge.com" [ http://www.uselessknowledge.com/explain/time.shtml ] "Time Questions and Answers from NIST" [ http://physics.nist.gov/News/Releases/questions.html ] "Where Do Noon And Midnight Fall?" [ http://www.freewarenet.com/features/12am-pm/ ] Perhaps this is why the military uses the 24 hour clock - to avoid confusion? Best regards! missy-ga |
forafundj-ga
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Thank you. However I find it discomforting that humanity can't get together to simply agree that midnight will be called 12 AM (or 12 PM) regardless of what AM and PM technically mean. I would prefer midnight to be 12 AM so that when the eleven changes to a twelve on a clock, the PM would change to AM at the same time and not an infintessimally small moment later. The people who make alarm clocks and computers need to be notified that they are incorrect at indicating the time at noon and midnight! |
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Re: time
From: jakoz-ga on 04 May 2002 00:27 PDT |
a.m. is an abbreviation for Ante Meridiem (before noon,)the passage of the sun through the local meridian, and so Midnight, 12 hours before that event, is 12:00 a.m. It logically follows that midday becomes 12:00 p.m., a practice universally used when publishing train, buses and airline time tables. |
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Re: time
From: lud-ga on 04 May 2002 11:38 PDT |
Translating it out makes it seem that it less "logically follows...": 12:00 p.m. equals 12:00 post meridiem equals 12:00 after noon - which might not seem synonymous with Noon. The original answer seems best. |
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Re: time
From: lostcluster-ga on 08 May 2002 09:34 PDT |
It may be hard to assign "P.M." to Noon, but it becomes easier to understand if you think that very few events happen at 12:00:00.0000 exactly. If you assign "Noon" to mean the specific moment at midday that all three hands of the clock are straight up, then the first fraction of a second after noon is, by definition, after noon and well-qualified to be called P.M. 11:59:59.99 (ad infinitum with those 9's) is clearly before the Noon moment, and therefore well-described as A.M. An accurate-to-the-second digital clock will read "11:59:59 AM" followed next by "12:00:00 PM" because during the one-second period "12:00:00 PM" is on the display, that "Noon moment" has already passed. |
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Re: time
From: blossom-ga on 10 May 2002 00:40 PDT |
Missy's answer is exactly correct, I think. I would also claim that in common usage, by convention, midnight is 12:00 AM and noon is 12:00 PM. Partly this is for the reason that lostcluster gives. But also, again by convention, midnight is the point at which the date advances. If midnight were called 12:00 PM, two disjoint portions of a single day would both be "PM". I suppose there is no reason this could not be the case, except that it would be even more confusing. Obviously the 24 hour, 00:00 - 23:59, clock is superior. But in a 12 hour system, it would make a lot more sense to me if midnight and noon were called 1:00. We start counting at 1, after all. |
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Re: time
From: aidan-ga on 15 Jun 2002 00:10 PDT |
In response to blossom's comment: "Obviously the 24 hour, 00:00 - 23:59, clock is superior. But in a 12 hour system, it would make a lot more sense to me if midnight and noon were called 1:00. We start counting at 1, after all." I would definitely agree with you that 00:00 - 23:59 is superior. I would bring to your attention, however, that '12' takes the place of '0' in the twelve hour clock. Because in many cases, we don't start counting at 1 (and IMO, in others, we do but shouldn't). Notice the inconsistency with starting a 1:00. The hour would start a 1, but the minutes would start at zero. It's best to think of the 12 as a zero. This leads to a consitent counting of how many hours and minutes _have passed since_ midnight or noon. My own idiosyncratic, contrarian opinion is that our calendar should work this way, too. Rather than counting from the _1st_ day of the _1st_ month (counting ordinally) I think we should write the date of New Year's Day as 00/00/year, zero months and zero days having passed since the beginning of the year. Actually, I really think we should write New Years as year.00(month).00(day) to be consistent about having larger denominations on the left. Then comparing dates would be easy and uniform, just a matter of subtract numbers! Unfortunately it would require re-writing all reference material, oh well. |
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Re: time
From: cada-ga on 19 Jun 2002 13:06 PDT |
The convention 12AM for noon and 12PM for midnight has a little twist: 12 AM < 1 AM For me, it is more "natural" 12PM for midnight. " If midnight were called 12:00 PM, two disjoint portions of a single day would both be "PM". I do not see the point here, the day starts just after midnight. |
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Re: time
From: missy-ga on 19 Jun 2002 17:48 PDT |
I must admit to considerable amusement at the discussion here. Not that I find it silly - quite the contrary - but because, being a chronic insomniac, it's never made a difference to me whether one is AM/PM/whathaveyou. Time just runs all together for some of us. You folks that can tell the difference are lucky. missy-ga |
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Re: time
From: iso8601-ga on 03 Nov 2002 07:32 PST |
There is an International Standard for Date and Time. It is known as ISO 8601. It defines the length of the second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, and so on. It defines date formats like: YYYY-MM-DD, Year-Month-Day YYYY-DDD, Year and DayOfYear YYYY-Www-DD, Year-WeekOfYear-DayOfWeek It uses the 24-hour format for clock time, and defines the Base Time Zone as being UTC (previously known as GMT). The ISO 8601 Standard has been adopted in ALL Western nations, as well as by most of the rest of the world (see ANSI X3.30 and NIST FIPS 4-1 in the US, CSA Z234.5 in Canada, EN 28601 in Europe, JIS X 0301 in Japan, etc). ISO 8601 has been adopted as RFC 3339 for use on the Internet. |
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