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Subject: looking for builder
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: james4-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 22 Dec 2002 12:26 PST
Expires: 21 Jan 2003 12:26 PST
Question ID: 132496
i am looking for who built a 1902 rambler horseless carrage i have.
built in a factory in flordia in the 1960s.

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 22 Dec 2002 12:52 PST
Dear james4,

I assume you are talking about a fully functional full-size replica of
this classic car?

Regards,
Scriptor

Clarification of Question by james4-ga on 22 Dec 2002 16:05 PST
yes this is a fully functional replica. it has a clinton engine. i
dont know if it is full sized or scaled down.
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Subject: Re: looking for builder
Answered By: rippo-ga on 22 Dec 2002 18:26 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi james4-ga,

I've done extensive research on this subject for you and have
discovered that the 1902 Rambler horseless carriage was produced in
1960 by American Air Products Corporation and distributed by Gaslight
Motors Corporation.

As you know, the Rambler was built by the Thomas B. Jeffrey Company
which became Nash in 1916. I did some research on Nash fan clubs
online, found some, and discovered a few references online to
cross-confirm that these companies manufactured/distributed the 1902
replicar you described. I highly suggest you look at the following
link, which lists a brochure with mention of the production and
distribution companies for your Rambler replicar:

http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/sales-lit/bymake/rambler/index.shtml
(search for "1902" on the above page to find the description)

This page includes information on a brochure that includes:

+ The year "1960" as the year when the 1902 Rambler replicar was
produced
+ A link to a marketing photo of the 1902 Rambler horseless carriage
you describe, with the headline "Gaslight Motors Presents the
Authentic Replica of One of America's First Mass-Produced Automobiles
The 1902 Rambler"
+ Mention of the two companies above - American Air Products and
Gaslight Motors Corporation - that were involved in the
production/distribution of the 1902 Rambler replicar
+ Mention of it containing an air-cooled Clinton engine (as you
clarified that your car has on Google)

I conducted thorough research on the 1902 Rambler and *did not find
any other mentions* of production, distribution, automotive or other
kinds of companies associated with a replica of this car.

Neither of the two companies listed above appear to be a standalone
business today (as it is over 40 years later.) However, there is an
American Air Products Corporation which is now an air-compressor
company, owned by Clayhill (website info is listed below.) If you are
interested in contacting individuals who know more about this car than
the current company owners might, I have listed links to 1902 Rambler
fan clubs below for your convenience as well. (Car enthusiasts are
likely to have access to information that the company/general public
may not.)

I hope this information meets your needs. Prior to rating this answer,
if you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to post
a question clarification and I will be happy to engage in any further
dialogue regarding this topic.

Happy holidays,
rippo-ga
Google Answers Researcher


ADDITIONAL LINKS:

Mclellans Automotive link disclosing replica manufacturer (this page
lists the most specific information about the replica manufacturer)
http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/sales-lit/bymake/rambler/index.shtml

Pacific Northwest Region Nash Car Club of America Roster Webpages
(include owners of a 1902 rambler who list the manufacturer)
http://www162.pair.com/nashram/nash/Roster/pnwrcars.htm
http://www162.pair.com/nashram/nash/Roster/roster.htm

Original Marketing Photo of Gaslight Motors Featuring the 1902 Replica
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B17655.jpg

History of the Rambler
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~marisa/MOTORTREND/HISTORY/

American Air Products Company Home Page:
http://www.air-compressor-tools.com/


SEARCH STRATEGY:

1902 rambler replica
"gaslight motors"
"American Air Products"

Clarification of Answer by rippo-ga on 22 Dec 2002 23:03 PST
james4-ga,

I received a follow-up email from one of the sources I contacted about
your 1902 Rambler replica which confirms that the manufacturer
identified in my original answer was based in Florida - my source
wrote that American Air Products was based in Fort Lauderdale.

My source (a member of one of the Nash fan clubs) sent me a scan of an
article that appeared in the "The Unibody Bulletin," the newsletter of
the Mad-City Ramblers Chapter of the AMC Rambler Club, issue dated May
2002. The source of the article is not identified, but it appears to
be a press release or news article published in a Michigan paper. Its
reference to American Motors dates it to after May 1954, when Nash
Motors merged with Hudson to form AMC. Below I've pasted the text of
the release that confirms that the manufacturer was based in Florida.
Note the geographical reference in paragraph five:

Page 6
Unibody Bulletin

Lathrup Village, Mich., - Gaslight Motors Corporation, a newly formed
automotive firm, today introduced its entry into the smaller car
field.

Featuring such advancements as an air-cooled engine, located in the 
center of the vehicle, an automatic clutch, composite body
construction,
and tiller steering, the new entry actually is an authentic full-scale
replica of the original Rambler, first produced in 1902.

Gaslight Motors was organized by three American Motors Corporation 
employees whose interest in the historical significance of the Rambler
prompted its comeback. James T. Moore is president; Carl Chakmakian, 
vice-president and treasurer, and John R. Pichurski, vice president
and
secretary.

"In staging its dramatic comeback, the production goal of the 1902 
Rambler will attempt to exceed the record 1,500 units produced by the
Thomas B. Jeffery and Co, Kenosha, Wisconsin, at the turn of the
Century,"
company officials said.

"Every detail on the 1902 Rambler has been duplicated as nearly as 
possible from the original plans and existing '02 models," the company
said. "it is being manufactured for Gaslight Motors by the American
Air
Products Corporation, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, whose experience and 
craftsmanship in the building of authentic old automobiles is widely
known.

"Like the original builder of the 1902 Rambler, Gaslight Motors 
believes that, simplicity, durability and reliability are the three
cardinal
virtues in motor-carriage construction'."

Sold exclusively through American Motors' nation-wide Rambler dealer 
organization, the 1902 Rambler has a retail price of $1,495.00, F.O.B.
Fort Lauderdale, according to Gaslight Motors.

The rugged two-passenger Rambler runabout, built on a 77-inch 
wheelbase, is 112 inches long, 66-1/4 inches wide and 80 inches high
(55 inches
high with the top down. It weighs 640 pounds.

The authentic replica is powered by an air-cooled, one-cylinder, 
four-cycle Clinton engine, one of the few concessions to modem
engineering
advancements. The four horsepower engine is located in the center of
the
car under the seat. It has a bore and stroke of 2-15/32 inches by
2-1/8
inches.

The '02 Rambler has a rugged transmission that gives the driver a 
choice of two forward and one reverse speed, without manually engaging
a
clutch, which is automatic. It has two neutral positions.

The rear axle has a chain and sprocket drive, with the sprocket 
enclosed for maximum protection.

The Rambler replica chugs along at a top speed of 30 miles per hour
and
delivers 60 to 70 miles per gallon on modern regular-grade gasoline.

Front and rear suspension consists of full-elliptic leaf springs. Its
wire spoke wheels are specialty made with extra wide hubs for greater
strength. They are equipped with 26x2.125 Goodyear diamond-stud thread
tires, with tube and rim shield. Brakes are of the rear wheel
expanding
type with bonded linings. Four-wheel brakes are offered as optional 
equipment for certain state licensing requirements. The parking brake
is a crank-lever located on the outer right side of the car.

Scaled-beam headlights are standard equipment; with high-low beam 
offered as an option for certain state licensing requirements.
Taillights
combine stop, tall turn signals, which are standard equipment. All
light
fixtures and hubcaps are made of special brass finished aluminum.

The Rambler's construction is of the composite type, using boat-grade
plywood. The chassis frame is a welded steel structure.

The right-hand, vertical tiller is used for steering the '02 Rambler.
Its horn is of the bulb squeeze-type.

Foam rubber seat cushions are covered with weatherproof red vinyl. A 
five-quart fuel tank is located under the seat. A light tan all
weather
canvas-folding top, with roll-up curtain, is standard.

The replica features two trunk compartments, front and rear.

The body is finished with durable handrubbed enamel in the original 
Brewster green color, and Rambler red is used for hand stripping and 
chassis color.

Offered as optional equipment are a windshield and electric wipers for
California State licensing requirements.

Request for Answer Clarification by james4-ga on 23 Dec 2002 10:26 PST
you did a good job but i need to know the value of car.igive you  five stars.

Clarification of Answer by rippo-ga on 23 Dec 2002 11:33 PST
Hi james4-ga,

Thank you for your kind feedback! I wanted to clarify that the price
listed in the press release above may be the price when the replicar
was originally made available in the 1960's. It may be worth more
today, so you may choose to have your replicar appraised for its
current day value. Below I've listed an online service to assist you,
as well as a link listing the current value range of the ORIGINAL 1902
Rambler (just so you know that someone doesn't give you an appraisal
price for the original, rather than the replica.)

Auto price appraisal web service:

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:iMXF_X5GMYkC:https://ssl1.fptoday.com/autoappraisal/market.htm+value+1902+rambler+replicar&hl=en&start=2&ie=UTF-8


Hemmings.com ORIGINAL *NOT REPLICA* - 1902 Rambler Car Value:

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:U2ryBSaq-4QC:cars.hemmings.com/features/whatworth/whatworth.cfm%3Fid%3D127+1902+rambler+%2B+value&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8

Thank you again, and happy holidays!
Best,
rippo-ga
james4-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
I DID NOT KNOW YOU WOULD BE SO FAST.YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

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