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Subject: Improving search engine ranking, best submit-a-site companies, advice, etc.
Category: Computers > Internet
Asked by: unclesammy-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 24 Dec 2002 06:16 PST
Expires: 23 Jan 2003 06:16 PST
Question ID: 133056
I have a listing visible under the search for 'cuties'
(OneModelPlace.com/Photographer #4735, etc), in about the 200-220th
place (depending on what engine I use).
The visible page cached is dated 11/04/02. I would like to know how to
keep it updated daily, or if a submit-a-site service would be
recommended. If so, who offers the most honest dollar for dollar
service, since I am concerned I may easily be 'taken' by someone that
doesn't really 'deliver'. I am also the owner/photographer for
www.uscuties.com and need advice that would be relevant to that, as
well. Also, any 'shortcuts' you may be able to advise, to obtain
highest ranking.

Thank you,

Kris R. Nemecek

Request for Question Clarification by aceresearcher-ga on 24 Dec 2002 06:42 PST
Kris,

Since this is a pay site (and I am not going to be entering any credit
card information), it is really not possible to give you a good
evaluation of what you can do to your site to make it more friendly to
search engines. Do you have any suggestions on how to get around this?
Perhaps you could enable a "guest" username and password for 6 hours
and then remove it?

Regards,

aceresearcher
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Subject: Re: Improving search engine ranking, best submit-a-site companies, advice, etc.
Answered By: aceresearcher-ga on 25 Dec 2002 01:06 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
unclesammy,

I have taken a look at your site, and I have a number of suggestions
that should help you improve your search rankings.

First, let's try running your site http://www.uscuties.com through the
Search Engine Spider Simulator tools at:
http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/sim_spider.cgi
 
The simulator shows that:
- your page title is "New Page 2"
- your meta description has "No description available"
- your meta keywords are empty

Right now the html source code for your front page looks like this:

<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252">
    <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
    <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
    <title>New Page 2</title>
  </head>
...

1) Your page title will frequently show up in the excerpts on Search
Results pages, such as Google. You will want to make it descriptive
and interesting. Change your page title from "New Page 2" to something
like "U.S. Cuties - Gorgeous All-American Girls in Red, White, and
Blue", or whatever you want to use. The general consensus is that
Google seems to view shorter titles (but not TOO short) more favorably
than titles that are really long (several lines).

2) Because webmasters tried to "stack" meta descriptions and meta
keywords to obtain more favorable search rankings, some Search
Engines, including Google,  no longer look at these tags. However,
other Search Engines still use these tags for indexing, so you will
want to use them. Change your meta description to something like "U.S.
Cuties - Gorgeous All-American Girls decked out in Red, White, and
Blue. See America's most beautiful women show their patriotism."

3) Insert meta keywords that describe your site. Be sure to use both
singular, plural, abbreviated, and punctuated variants of your
keywords, because some Search Engines cannot tell that one such word
is related to the other. For example, you might use keywords "US,
U.S., America, American, All-American, America's, cute, cutie, cuties,
gorgeous, beautiful, lovely, girl, girls, woman, women, babe, babes,
model, models, doll, dolls, red, white, blue, flag, flags, patriot,
patriots, patriotic, patriotism".

The above changes should make your front page html source code look
something like this:

<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=windows-1252">
    <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
    <meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
    <meta name="description" content="U.S. Cuties - Gorgeous
All-American Girls decked out in Red, White, and Blue. See America's
most beautiful women show their patriotism.">
    <meta name="keywords" content="US, U.S., America, American,
All-American, America's, cute, cutie, cuties, beauty, beauties,
beautiful, gorgeous, lovely, girl, girls, woman, women, babe, babes,
model, models, doll, dolls, red, white, blue, flag, flags, patriot,
patriots, patriotic, patriotism">
    <title>U.S. Cuties - Gorgeous All-American Girls in Red, White,
and Blue</title>
  </head>
...

4) Now, for Search Engines like Google that ignore those meta tags,
you need to insert some text on your front page that includes your
meta keywords. Right now, your front page is just one big graphic.
Even though that graphic contains words, Search Engines can't read
those words; they just see that you have a picture on your front page
and no other text. So below that graphic, you will want to add a
couple of paragraphs -- consisting of complete sentences -- using the
keywords you have chosen, and giving a nice description of the content
of your website.

5) The Spider Simulator says only one link was spidered, your billing
engine:
http://uscuties.com/ccbill

Furthermore, if you use Google's link functions with your site name
(enter link:www.uscuties.com in the Search box on the Google front
page at ://www.google.com , you will see that Google does not show
any linking pages either.

However, if you enter your site name, "www.uscuties.com" (including
the quotes) in the Search box on the Google front page at
://www.google.com , you will see that Google shows several pages
which include your site URL:

www.uscuties.com
uscuties.com
uscuties.com/main.htm 
www.ivymodel.com/links.asp
ivymodel.com/links.asp 
www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=3282 
www.onemodelplace.com/lydiafuentes 
www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm/ID/13330 
babes.net/detail.asp?ID=2208 
www.babes.net/detail.asp?ID=2208 
uscuties.com/1.htm 
uscuties.com/fineart.htm 
uscuties.com/ccbill
www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm/id/10196 

This is good, because the onemodelplace, babes.net, and ivymodel pages
are external sites pointing back to your site; since Google is
indexing them, it will most likely index your site as well. In
addition, these sites have a "Page Rank" of 5/10, which is fairly
decent, and can help your own site's ranking (more about this later).

6) One of the best ways to get the Search Engines to index your site
frequently is to update the pages frequently. The Search Engines check
the "Last Modified Date" on the current page with the "Last Modified
Date" of that same page the last time they indexed it. If the Search
Engines notice that your pages get updated frequently, they will
usually crawl your pages more often. So even if you don't have any
changes to your pages, you should fairly frequently save new copies of
them to your server, to update the "Last Modified Date" on them. The
best way to do this is to put "This page last updated on mm/dd/yyyy"
in a small font at the bottom of each page. When it's time to update
your pages, change this date to the current date, and save the new
version of the page back on your server.

7) The Google Search Engine uses its "Page Rank" system to assign a
relevancy rating to your page; this will influence the frequency with
which Google will index it, and how high it will appear in the Search
Results pages. To understand this better, see Phil Craven's article
"Google's PageRank and how to make the most of it" at:
http://webworkshop.net/pagerank.html

To find out the Page Rank of any given webpage, you can use the Google
toolbar, which is available for download at:
http://toolbar.google.com
 
8) Once you have made the above recommended changes to your website,
run it through the Search Engine Spider Simulator tools again at:
http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/sim_spider.cgi
You should see your changes show in the site evaluation results.
 
9) Once you have made the above recommended changes to your website,
resubmit it to the major Search Engines. Be sure to follow their
instructions; for instance, some Engines request that you submit only
your top-level URL (www.uscuties.com) rather than every one of your
pages. Failure to follow the instructions can result in lowered
rankings or even in being blacklisted from a Search Engine.

  Google: 
://www.google.com/addurl.html
  DMOZ (Directory Mozilla/Open Directory Project):
http://dmoz.org/add.html
  AOL:
http://search.aol.com/add.adp
  HotBot:
http://ldbreg.lycos.com/cgi-bin/mayaLogin?m_PR=29&m_CBURL=http://insite.lycos.com/searchservices/lite?step1.asp
  AllTheWeb:
http://www.alltheweb.com/add_url.php
  AltaVista:
http://addurl.altavista.com/addurl/new
  Zeal (LookSmart/MSN free submission w/free registration)
http://www.zeal.com/users/register.jhtml

10) I strongly recommend that you do NOT subscribe to either free or
fee-based submit-a-site companies or Search Engine Optimization
Services. There are less than a dozen really popular search engines
which are used by the majority of web surfers. Submit-a-site services
will:
a) submit you to a bunch of small search engines, which will likely
not improve your website hits significantly, and
b) by using methods like repetitive submission and link farms, quite
possibly get your site banned from Google and other major Search
Engines which pay attention to such things. For instance, one of the
SEOs notorious for getting sites banned from Google is Web Position
Gold. Once a site is banned from a Search Engine, it may be possible
to get it reinstated, but it will be a VERY difficult and
time-consuming process.

11) Once you implement all these suggestions and resubmit your site,
wait 2 months and see how your site is doing on the Search Engines. If
you still aren't happy, you may want to consider Fee-based or
Pay-per-click Search Engine services. However, there is much debate
among webmasters as to how worthwhile this is, depending on the Search
Engine (see link to the discussion forums at JimWorld below).


The "Google Information for Webmasters" Help Page may contain some
really helpful information for you:
://www.google.com/webmasters

You may also find helpful information on the 
"Group:google.public.support.general" user discussion site at:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=google.public.support.general

SearchEngineWorld has an excellent resource page for assistance on
making your website user-friendly to Google:
http://www.searchengineworld.com/spiders/google_faq.htm

The Search Engine Forums at JimWorld are an excellent resource for
helpful information not only on Google's Search Engine, but numerous
other Search Engines as well:
http://www.searchengineforums.com/bin/Ultimate.cgi


Search Strategy: personal knowledge


Before Rating my Answer, if you have questions, please post a Request
for Clarification, and I will be glad to see what I can do for you.

I hope this Answer provides you with exactly what you needed!

Regards,

aceresearcher

Request for Answer Clarification by unclesammy-ga on 25 Dec 2002 09:45 PST
hey, ace, seems you already deserve a good rating, in what you have
already given me. The front page was put up temporarily for two
reasons:

1). Just to see if someone would enter(pay) to see the site, out of
pure curiosity of the unknown, and

2). Since the site is in constant updating and reconstructing, I
didn't really want any visitors, at least not until after today. Call
me peculiar, but I didn't think X-mas day is a day people should be
lookin at 'cuties', nude or otherwise.

Typically, though, the whole site is not nude, only the 'rated' area.
The pages of uscuties.com that are the gist of the site are:

uscuties.com/main.htm
uscuties.com/covergirl.htm and
uscuties.com/nam.htm (short for nude arts models)

Since the 'One Model Place Photographer' listing is already holding a
place in the searches for 'cuties', I feel/felt it is a good place to
begin, in regards to gaining better activity to /for the site. As you
can see, 'Black Cuties.com' holds first place, and my sentiments are
that U.S. CUTIES (& Americans Beauties should be 1 rank above that,
since it makes no preference to color or race, only geographical model
location, which as we already know, the U.S. is the chief player on
the internet.

For the time being, concentrating on OMP is most beneficial, as it
helps to gain respect within the OMP site and the models who might
consider becoming affiliated with USC. Visitors from the 'cuties'
search will see there is a 'uscuties.com', making the connection,
becoming curious, and hence, further investigate, by going to the
actual site. It also offers a 'pre' insight, into the 'developer' of
the site, something other pay sites don't really do.

Ace, what my real needs are is someone who could act in part as a
'marketing consultant', and, so far, I feel you have been worth far
more than 20 bucks. Perhaps we could do business more on a one on one
basis, compensating more fairly for services rendered. As is, I was
wondering how I might 'tip' you, just for time and helpfulness to
date.

I am sure, by the end of our 'communications', in regards to just this
one posted question, I will want to do so.

Again, though, the updating of my OMP status, on the 'cuties' search,
is my greater need.

Your 'Uncle Sammy'

P.S. Merry Christmas, if it's not too late. :)

Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 25 Dec 2002 14:41 PST
Hi Kris,

First of all, I want to thank you for your appreciation of my efforts.
I am glad you feel that I have given you good value, as that is always
my goal.

Google Answers does indeed provide you with the ability to tip -- at
the time that you rate your Answer. See
https://answers.google.com/answers/faq.html#tipping .

Secondly, while the Researcher Terms of Service do not permit us to
have personal contact with Customers, you are certainly able to post
additional Questions on Google Answers in the future, and if you wish
to have me specifically Answer your Question, you can entitle it "For
aceresearcher -- How do I <whatever your question is>?"

Now, as to the question you ask in your Clarification: I am not clear
about what you are asking, but I gather that it is "How do I get my
page on OneModelPlace updated on a regular basis?", and that this is
the page to which you are referring:
http://www.onemodelplace.com/photographer_list.cfm?P_ID=4735

If that is not what you are asking, please post another Clarification
for me explaining in detail what you are asking.

If that is indeed what you are asking: The Answer is that you can only
get this page updated on a regular basis if you have control of this
page or this website (or if you make special arrangements with the
person who does have control of this website).

Since this page currently shows that it was last updated on December
24, 2002, and it bears the label "Platinum Plus Member", I am guessing
that you have a login and password to One Model Place that allows you
to maintain this page. In that case, your best bet is to periodically
(say, every two weeks) login and "edit" your page and save it again.
If you don't have any changes to make, you should go through this
process anyway, as it should hopefully change the "Last Modified Date"
on your page, and Search Engines will notice that it has been
modified.

I don't see an actual html hyperlink to your site on this page. Are
you allowed to have one? Since Google is indexing this page, a
hyperlink to http://www.uscuties.com on this page will help to improve
your site's ranking in Google, and you should add such a link if you
can. If you are not sure whether you are able to do this and how, I
recommend sending an e-mail to the site's administrator by using the
"Contact Us" button at the bottom of your OMP page.

Additionally, when you say:
"Since the 'One Model Place Photographer' listing is already holding a
place in the searches for 'cuties', I feel/felt it is a good place to
begin, in regards to gaining better activity to /for the site. As you
can see, 'Black Cuties.com' holds first place",
I am not clear to what kind of search you are referring. Do you mean
entering "cuties" in the Google search box, or some other type of
search? I will not be able to answer your Question until you let me
know this.

One other recommendation I can make is that you submit your
http://www.onemodelplace.com/photographer_list.cfm?P_ID=4735
page through the same URL submission methods I listed in my earlier
Answer for http://www.uscuties.com . This should help your OMP page
placement in Search Engines.

Let me know the Answers to my Questions, and I will be able to help
you out.

Thanks,

aceresearcher

Request for Answer Clarification by unclesammy-ga on 29 Dec 2002 00:51 PST
Hey AceResearcher, wanted to send that tip ASAP, to show my
appreciation. Much insight/good advice was given. A few comments still
remain, and a little more clarification, as well.
Though I can pay for a link from OMP to USC, the cost at this time is
not yet justifiable. I am relying on people making a mental
connection, and curiosity leading them further.
I frequently update (almost daily) my OMP portfolio, but my 'cuties'
search ranking (#222) on Google still shows (in the actual search, and
not the simulator) as last updated at 47,884 hits. Since then, I have
acummulated well over 12,000 more hits. What people see as the last
update is what I refer particularly to, even if Google has 'updated'
on the 24th.
It would be my hope that if people saw a more recent 'update' date
visibly, they would be more inclined to visit, and especially, more
often. Yes, I will begin showing an 'update' date on USC, as
suggested/advised, and I can believe that may make some difference,
with Google, but since USC must obviously be much further down the
search list, than my OMP listing, doing all that I can for the
placement/ranking of my OMP listing is the greater concern, for the
time being. Not sure if you can even help, further, in this matter.
Your suggestion to work with the pagerank system is all Greek to me. I
never even reached 11th grade, much less came close to learning
Calculus, which is what the pagerank system appears to me as (L). Of
course, I'm not looking to be tutored here, so...
If you could just advise me how to bring that (222th ranked)'One Model
Place Photographer' listing so it appears showing a more recent
hitcount, I will truly be indebted. Perhaps it will move me up a few
notches on the Google engine.

Wishing you a safe and enjoyable New Year's Eve & Day,

Kris
(aka 'Uncle Sammy')

Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 29 Dec 2002 08:54 PST
Kris, have you done this yet?
This should help your OMP page, but it may take a month or two for the
results to show.
-----------------------------------------------------------
One other recommendation I can make is that you submit your 
http://www.onemodelplace.com/photographer_list.cfm?P_ID=4735 
page through the same URL submission methods I listed in my earlier
Answer for http://www.uscuties.com . This should help your OMP page
placement in Search Engines.

  Google:  
://www.google.com/addurl.html 
  DMOZ (Directory Mozilla/Open Directory Project): 
http://dmoz.org/add.html 
  AOL: 
http://search.aol.com/add.adp 
  HotBot: 
http://ldbreg.lycos.com/cgi-bin/mayaLogin?m_PR=29&m_CBURL=http://insite.lycos.com/searchservices/lite?step1.asp
  AllTheWeb: 
http://www.alltheweb.com/add_url.php 
  AltaVista: 
http://addurl.altavista.com/addurl/new 
  Zeal (LookSmart/MSN free submission w/free registration) 
http://www.zeal.com/users/register.jhtml 
-----------------------------------------------------------
 
Regards, 
 
aceresearcher

Request for Answer Clarification by unclesammy-ga on 29 Dec 2002 17:54 PST
Ace, I can't seem to figure out what category sites like mine would
best be placed in, at dmoz. Suggestion?

Also, seems AOL gives a 'runaround' searching for a 'green box at
bottom of page', or requires payment (to 'proboost'?) Please advise if
this is wise or not. You mentioned not to hire.

Clarification of Answer by aceresearcher-ga on 29 Dec 2002 23:40 PST
hello again, Kris:

---------------------------------------------
1. Submitting to DMOZ

I would recommend you try this DMOZ category:
"Arts: Design: Fashion: Models: Image Galleries and Fan Pages"
http://dmoz.org/Arts/Design/Fashion/Models/Image_Galleries_and_Fan_Pages

Shortcut to submit in this category:
http://dmoz.org/cgi-bin/add.cgi?where=Arts/Design/Fashion/Models/Image_Galleries_and_Fan_Pages

---------------------------------------------
2. Submitting to AOL

Apparently, AOL is now partnered with DMOZ for their directory.

"To get your site listed: 
1. Find the most appropriate category or subcategory within the AOL
Directory.
2. From that category page, submit your site information from the
Submit a Site link in the green Open Directory Project box at the
bottom of the page."

If you enter
arts models
in the Search box at:
http://search.aol.com/add.adp

It brings up the following page:
http://search.aol.com/dirsearch.adp?start=&from=topsearchbox.%2Fadd.adp&query=arts+models&x=29&y=12

Scroll to the bottom of the page, where the Categories are listed, and
click on the word "Models" in the line:
Arts > Design > Fashion > Models 
http://search.aol.com/cat.adp?from=catsearch&id=135651

Click on:
Image Galleries and Fan Pages
http://search.aol.com/cat.adp?id=332680&layer=&from=subcats

At the bottom of this page is the "green Open Directory Project box",
and if you click on "Submit a Site", it takes you back to the
http://www.dmoz.org site page "How to add a site to the Open
Directory", which tells you how to do what you've already done in Item
1 listed in this Clarification. So I would just forget about AOL; once
your site shows up in DMOZ, it should show up on AOL as well.

Since AOL' "user-friendly" interface requires very little knowledge of
computers or how they work, many people who are interested in taking
advantage of the Internet but are not interested in becoming computer
experts use AOL. Thus, many of them will spend all their time on the
web entirely on the AOL site, and one of the advantages of advertising
on AOL would be to reach those people who aren't going to find your
site through one of the other Search Engines. However, before you
consider paying for advertising on AOL, I would first wait until your
listing shows up on DMOZ, then do keyword searches on AOL to see if
and where your site comes up.

---------------------------------------------
Be sure to submit both sites 
  http://www.uscuties.com
  http://www.onemodelplace.com/photographer_list.cfm?P_ID=4735  

to all the Search Engines I listed:
  Google:   
://www.google.com/addurl.html  
  DMOZ (Directory Mozilla/Open Directory Project):  
http://dmoz.org/add.html  
  HotBot:  
http://ldbreg.lycos.com/cgi-bin/mayaLogin?m_PR=29&m_CBURL=http://insite.lycos.com/searchservices/lite?step1.asp
  AllTheWeb:  
http://www.alltheweb.com/add_url.php  
  AltaVista:  
http://addurl.altavista.com/addurl/new  
  Zeal (LookSmart/MSN free submission w/free registration)  
http://www.zeal.com/users/register.jhtml  

---------------------------------------------

I hope all this information gets you on the right track to improved
website traffic!

Best wishes,

aceresearcher
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Comments  
Subject: Re: Improving search engine ranking, best submit-a-site companies, advice, etc.
From: johnworf-ga on 02 Jan 2003 08:14 PST
 
well i agree with aceresearcher - but i'm a bit skeptical about your
hits - i have a feeling that these numbers you give out are actually
page impressions rather than individual computers viewing a set of
pages.

Something else you can do to improve your ranking is to add ALT tags
to your images which are meaningful - at the moment you have things
like dee1.jpg rather than cute face of american or "american cute
faces" etc. etc.

Anyway my point is to improve your site you need to vastly improve the
design - at the moment it looks amateurish - a throwback to 1997. How
many people are going to give over their credit card details? - so
even if you get lots of hits the conversion rate will be extremely
low.
Subject: Re: Improving search engine ranking, best submit-a-site companies, advice, etc.
From: unclesammy-ga on 03 Jan 2003 03:21 PST
 
I make no bones with your comments, John! U.S.Cuties is the product of
an amateur, a carpenter who is presently out of work. If my budget (!)
allowed it, I would totally renovate it! Why, for that matter, I
wouldn't even touch it, I would simply let someone else do all the
webmastering. But...

What's important is that I am getting my 'messages' across, only not
to enough people. The paying membership, though of course, is
important in the long run, at the moment, what I need more than
anything, after hits, is an investor or two.

Like the Marines, all I need is a few good men (who love the cuties):)
I have the ideas, the perfect URL (with about 20 other URLs that
co-relate, but no capital). I'm caught between a rock and a hardspot!
Hosting only costs $25 a month, so it's not killing me. What kills me
is knowing the potentials, and not knowing 'how' to reach them (or the
lack of funds to do so).

What I need, is to be able to sit down at a table, with concerned
parties, and draw gameplans. Until then, all I can do is poke around,
making little steps, here and there.

I do want to mention, John, though I don't know exactly what I or ACE
did, my OMP ranking moved in front of about 20 others, and has finally
been updated in the 'cuties' searches. A small step, but forward,
nonetheless.

One day, I hope to have that #1 'cuties' rank, for uscuties.com, since
of course, I don't feature just Black Cuties, but rather ALL cuties,
at least, for now, in the good ol' U.S.A.

Just having the One Model Place rank, as I do, seems blessing enough
to me. I'm being patient.

Your 'Uncle Sammy' 

P.S. Future comments and/or suggestions, will not go 'unrewarded', but
since I'm temporarily 'strapped', all I can do is thank you, and when
possible, show my appreciation in small ways.

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