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Subject: Good Night's Sleep
Category: Health
Asked by: lxluthr-ga
List Price: $12.00
Posted: 24 Dec 2002 10:14 PST
Expires: 23 Jan 2003 10:14 PST
Question ID: 133101
I'm 21 years old male and I'm not a morning person at all. Though for
the next 8 months (starting in January) I will be required to wake up
at 6am every morning. This is a huge problem for me, since I'm in the
habit of going to bed around 2am, and waking up around 2pm!

My question is: "How can I wake up at 6am every morning and still feel
refreshed?"

Now I realize that much of the working world wakes up at that time and
feels great everymorning, but I've got no clue how their bodies can
handle it. I normally get 12 hours of sleep, and now the prospect of
only getting 6 hours is going to be very difficult.

So I'd love any advice or resources on how to get a "good nights
sleep"! (and make the most of the 6-7 hours of sleep I might be able
to get) As well, any resources to help me fall asleep earlier (to get
7 hours or sleep, I'd need to be 'falling asleep' around 11pm! a good
3 hours earlier then I'm used to).. so anything to help with that are
also appreciated.

As well, as a secondary question.. does it help to take 30-45 minute
naps throughout the day?

And a third bonus question: how do you prevent and get rid of the
rings under your eyes?

thanks!

Clarification of Question by lxluthr-ga on 24 Dec 2002 10:31 PST
The reason for trying to get a good nights sleep is because I'm going
to have to sit through lectures from 8am-2pm every day of the week.
And I have a bad history of falling asleep after more then 10 minutes
of sitting inactive (whether in a car, on the bus, or sitting in a
lecture hall). I've tried everything from pinching myself to stay
awake, to eating snacks or water... all with no success. I'm hoping
that if I can finally feel refreshed in the morning, that I wouldn't
have this problem anymore.
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Subject: Re: Good Night's Sleep
Answered By: kevinmd-ga on 24 Dec 2002 11:37 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello,
Thanks for asking your question.  You asked the following:
“My question is: "How can I wake up at 6am every morning and still feel
refreshed?"

So I'd love any advice or resources on how to get a "good nights
sleep"! (and make the most of the 6-7 hours of sleep I might be able
to get) As well, any resources to help me fall asleep earlier (to get
7 hours or sleep, I'd need to be 'falling asleep' around 11pm! a good
3 hours earlier then I'm used to).. so anything to help with that are
also appreciated.

As well, as a secondary question.. does it help to take 30-45 minute
naps throughout the day?

And a third bonus question: how do you prevent and get rid of the
rings under your eyes?”

1) How can I wake up at 6am every morning and still feel refreshed?

What you are describing is delayed sleep phase sydrome (DSPS).

From Helioshealth:
“Most people are "programmed" to fall asleep around 10PM at night and 
wake up the next morning around 6 or 7 a.m. Some people, however, have 
trouble falling asleep that early. They may only feel drowsy and ready 
for sleep at 2 or 3 a.m. Consequently, these "night owls" may not 
awake until 10 the next morning-too late for a full day at the office 
or at school. These people may suffer from delayed sleep phase 
syndrome.”
http://www.helioshealth.com/sleep/sleep_03_02.html

Sleep Disorder Channel describes DSPS as someone that has a similar 
story to you:
“A person with this disorder is typically unable to fall asleep before 
2 a.m. and has great difficulty waking early, say by 7 a.m. These 
people are sometimes called “night owls” or described as “not being 
morning people.” If allowed to sleep a full seven to eight hours, i.e. 
until 10 a.m., they feel rested and function normally. Unfortunately, 
this is not usually the case.”
http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/dsps/

You are asking what can be done to remedy this.  Here are some 
solutions.  From Sleep Disorder Channel:
“All forms of treating DSPS are aimed at rephasing the patient’s 
circadian rhythm and sleep pattern. The ultimate goal is to 
synchronize the patient with societal routine and the subsequent 
demands that lifestyle, employment, or school place on him or her. The 
patient wants to wake up at a given time feeling refreshed and 
functional. Since the ability to wake up and function normally is 
dependent on an adequate amount of sleep, the patient adjusts to an 
earlier bedtime. Sleep therapy of this kind usually combines proper 
sleep hygiene practice and external stimulus therapy. Benzodiazepines 
are sometimes used to modify sleep-wake patterns, but their efficacy 
is not proven for DSPS.
The two main external therapeutic methods used to advance the patient’
s sleep phase are bright light therapy and chronotherapy. When 
combined, these therapies are known to produce significant results.”
http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/dsps/treatment.shtml

Specific treatments describing how to implement bright light therapy, 
chronotherapy, b12, and melatonin can be found at the Sleep Disorder 
Channel:
http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/dsps/treatment.shtml

2) Does it help to take 30-45 minute naps throughout the day?

There are conflicting statements regarding the role of naps and DSPS.  
Here are some comments regarding the association with naps and DSPS.

“Working the evening or night shift, or working at home, can make DSPS 
less of an obstacle. Some people nap, even taking four hours of sleep 
a day and four at night. Long daytime naps are discouraged by almost 
everyone because they're believed to promote nighttime sleeplessness, 
but you may decide that a regular nap to make up for lost sleep at 
night is an acceptable pattern for you.”
 http://www.geocities.com/delayed_sleep/treatment.html

“They are sleepy during the day, especially in the morning, if they 
have had to get up early. They sleep in on weekends (often past noon 
and for more than 10 hours) to make up for not getting enough sleep 
during the rest of the week. Some people with DSPS take naps during 
the day and feel refreshed afterwards.”
http://www.geocities.com/delayed_sleep/additional_symptoms.html

“Daytime naps also help [in DSPS], but napping is not feasible if you 
are trying to hold down a job.”
http://sleepdisorders.about.com/library/weekly/aa041399.htm

“Another sign of DSPS is the feeling of drowsiness during the day, 
especially the early morning hours. DSPS sufferers tend to sleep in on 
the weekends, often past noon, to make up for lost hours of sleep 
during the week. Afternoon naps might also make up lost time.”
http://www.kstatecollegian.com/stories/101801/opi_powell.shtml

Dr. Kramer of the Colorodo Neurological Institute comments on the role 
of naps and DSPS:
“Treatment of DSPS can be very difficult because, in essence, 
treatment is fighting against a patient’s natural biological rhythms. 
However, sleep hygiene practices, coupled with melatonin at night, are 
very important. Transient nocturnal sedative-hypnotic use with 
melatonin is debated but may be indicated in certain patients. Early-
morning exercise and bright light also help phase-advance a patient’s 
sleep timing. Naps should rarely be prescribed or allowed. However, if 
they are, they should be completed by 2:00 pm at the latest. Naps 
later in the day tend to phase-delay these patients.”
http://www.thecni.org/reviews/10-2-p09-kramer.htm

3) How do you prevent and get rid of the rings under your eyes?

Here is an explaination of why people get rings under the eyes:
“The short answer is that nobody has done a lot of research in this 
area, so we don't have one single definite answer. But we do have a 
bunch of partial answers.

The skin under the eyes is very thin, and almost transparent - so it 
will show any colour changes in the layers underneath very easily.

First, the blood supply from that skin drains into the internal 
jugular vein. That drainage is a lot better when you're lying down 
than when you're standing up - so the blood tends to pool there. This 
is one factor that will give you dark half-circles under the eyes.

Second, you have huge numbers of Mast Cells in the skin under the eyes.
 These Mast Cells will release histamine (sometimes by themselves, and 
sometimes when you rub them), which will cause swelling under the eyes 
- and darkness.

Third, when you get dehydrated (which sometimes happens when you get 
tired), the skin under the eyes gets dark. And finally, not a reason 
but an observation. Eyes in animals are an important signalling area.

So if we humans get dark under the eyes, it's a way of telling other 
humans that we're tired.”
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/homework/s95516.htm

This article is from BBC Health:
“Three things contribute to dark rings under the eyes:
·	an inherited tendency
·	natural aging processes, and
·	lack of sleep.
There is very little that can be done about dark rings, other than 
getting as much sleep and rest as possible. This may mean taking a 
serious look at your work and sleep habits, including not just the 
amount of sleep - but the quality of it too. Is sleep interrupted, 
especially by snoring or waking episodes? Do you get enough sleep, 
especially at the right times of the night for you? “
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/eyes_darkcircles.shtml

This site suggests that prevention of fatigue will help prevent rings 
under the eyes:
“Plain tiredness will also add to the problem of bags under your eyes, 
and especially to those ugly dark circles under the eyes.”
http://www.ageless.co.za/black-circles-under-eyes.htm

Plastic surgery is also an option for treatment:
“Dark rings or circles under the eyes often lend a tired or uninviting 
look to one's face. The Berman Skin Institute is one of very few 
centers to utilize a laser to lighten the pigment causing such 
problems. Typically, only a topical anesthetic cream is used for 
prevention of pain during the procedure. Most patients undergo one 
treatment, though more than one treatment may be required. The 
benefits of this approach can usually be appreciated within one week 
following the treatment.”
http://www.bermanmd.com/bsi_2_darkrings.html

Dark circles under the eyes from sinus problems are addressed here:
http://www.ivillagehealth.com/experts/ent/qas/0,11816,242110_187300,00.html

Please use any answer clarification before rating this answer.  I will
be happy to explain or expand on any issue you may have.

Thanks,
Kevin, M.D.

Google and Teoma search:
delayed sleep phase syndrome
DSPS
naps and dsps
rings under eyes

Links:
Sleep disorder channel – DSPS
http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/dsps/

Helios Health – DSPS
http://www.helioshealth.com/sleep/sleep_03_02.html

About.com – DSPS links
http://sleepdisorders.about.com/msubdsps.htm

Case study on DSPS
http://www.aasmnet.org/MEDSleep/Products/(Avidan)csdsps.pdf

Treatment for DSPS
http://www.geocities.com/delayed_sleep/treatment.html

Request for Answer Clarification by lxluthr-ga on 24 Dec 2002 15:40 PST
Thank you so much! I'm sure I'll be able to use alot of the infomation
and links you provided.

Although, do you think that those alarm clocks that simulate natural
sunlight would help with DSPS? (not quite a replacement for
bright-light therapy, but maybe still abit usefull?) And if so, would
you be able to help recommend a good one? (they tend to be expensive,
so I'm a bit hesitant to buy the first one I find online)

thanks again! I'm feeling alot more confident about adjusting to a
normal speeding cycle now!

Clarification of Answer by kevinmd-ga on 24 Dec 2002 16:35 PST
Hello,
I'm glad you found the information useful.

I don't have any personal experience in purchasing bright light
therapy - thus cannot recommend any one light over another.  Here are
some I found on the web.  There are no medical studies comparing
natural sunlight alarms with bright light therapy.

Daymaker Virtual Sunlight Alarm
http://www.lighten-up.net/daymaker.php

The Sunbox Company
https://www.sunbox.com/Products/

Alaska Northern Lights
http://www.alaskanorthernlights.com/products.html

I also looked on Froogle.com:
bright light therapy:
http://www.froogle.com/froogle?q=bright+light+therapy&btnG=Froogle+Search

natural light alarm:
http://www.froogle.com/froogle?q=natural+light+alarm

Thanks,
Kevin, M.D.
lxluthr-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Very usefull! Thanks again!!

Comments  
Subject: Re: Good Night's Sleep
From: flajason-ga on 24 Dec 2002 11:51 PST
 
Hello Lex,

I was in a similar situation a few years back. My job at the time was
a second shift position and I worked varying shifts, 4pm-12am, 5-1am,
or 6-2am. After leaving that job, I found myself in an 8-5 position.
Making the transition was fairly difficult at first. I found that I
was more inclined to get up with the alarm so long as it wasn't dark.
If it was still dark out (as it tends to be in the winter months), I
would hit the snooze or sleep right through the alarm.

That said, here's my suggestion.

Get a wall timer (they can be found at dollar stores just about
anywhere) and set it to turn a lamp on in your room about 20-30
minutes before you have to get up. When you awake, hopefully you will
be less likely to be too groggy to function.

This doesn't answer your question about how to make the most of your
6-7 hours, but hopefully it may keep you from oversleping!
Subject: Re: Good Night's Sleep
From: kevinmd-ga on 24 Dec 2002 16:48 PST
 
Thank you for the tip!

Good luck,
Kevin, M.D.
Subject: Re: Good Night's Sleep
From: neilzero-ga on 28 Dec 2002 14:02 PST
 
You may adjust to your new schedule if you can stand to follow it 7
days per week instead of 5 days per week. Sleeping till 8 am or later
2 days per week resets the adaptation you made partially during the 5
days. I suggest you be in bed at 8 pm every night, until you adapt.
 A need for 12 hours sleep is unusual, but 8 or 9 hours is a common
requirement to feel your best. It may be helpful to arise a 1/2 hour
earlier than necessary, and use the 1/2 hour to do something you
really enjoy (not sleep of course) When I have trouble sleeping I
think about humans living at the mass center of a small asteroid, or
some other non-threatening, very improbable, project. Same principle 
as counting sheep except the project needs to be complicated. Try a
white noise generator to mask other noises that may interfere with
getting to sleep. I hope you are not trying to sleep with a radio or
tv running. If you put a small fan on the floor of your room pointing
out the open door, and upward at a 20 to 40 degree angle your room may
be warmer. Try sleeping naked. The light timed to come on 20 or 30
minutes before time to arise should help a little. Experiment with
bright or dim. The rest of the night the room should be as dark as you
can tolerate. Try a hot water bottle (one cup of about 100 degrees
water) on various parts of your body. I use one for a pillow. You can
reheat it in about 60 seconds in a microwave oven without removing the
stopper.
 Try changing your diet and eating habits, such as no caffein or sugar
noon to 6 AM, no caffein at all, no aspertane = sugar substitute,
drink no beverages other than fruit and vegetable juice and 1/2 cup of
water every 1/2 hour from 6 AM until 6PM. Daily exercise program/try
various times of day. Do not abuse subsances or take sleeping pills.  
Neil
Subject: Re: Good Night's Sleep
From: carlawithac123-ga on 06 Jan 2003 13:43 PST
 
I work in an industry that has me getting up at any and all hours of
the day or night and I often can only get a few hours sleep. I have
found the best sleeping aid is a cup of chamomile tea. However, there
is a real technique to the stuff. First, buy plain chamomile (nothing
else in the bag), put two bags in your cup and add boiling water. Do
not add any sugar or honey. Let the cup steep until it has cooled
enough so you can drink it quickly. Bottoms up and sweet dreams.

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