Dear barney2-ga;
Thank you for allowing me an opportunity to answer your interesting
question.
Rather than let my research go to waste I chose to go ahead and post
my information as an answer. It will be up to you, who knows much more
about this family than I, to determine who is related to whom. As I
mentioned, I could not find the missing names of John Calvin Watkins’
parents but while researching I discovered a number of extremely
promising pieces of information that may very well help you solve this
mystery:
More than four years ago, someone (presumably a relative of yours)
posted this request containing the following information:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?john,calvin::watkins::304.html
“Am searching for information on John Calvin Watkins b. VA 1770; d. GA
1859; and spouse Jane Webb, also born in VA. Some of their children's
names were: Mary; Mark; Matthew & Luke. There probably are other
children, but we have no hard evidence of them. Would like any
information on siblings of JCW or JW; their parents or families -
anything that we might use to further our search. For sure he was in
GA by 1804, in Jackson Co., probably came into Franklin Co. from SC,
Mary was born there, according to census records. Give me a note if
you have anything that might match”
In response, some two years later on August 21, 2000, someone posted
this:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/watkins/messages/2274.html
“This is probably a long shot. Matthew Watkins bought land n 1840 in
Cleburne Co. AL Near him were James Watkins, Andrew G. Watkins, and
Walton Watkins.”
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS LINEAGE. I BELIEVE THAT THIS FOLLOW UP INFORMATION
IS INCORRECT AND WILL GREATLY MISLEAD YOU! And here’s why:
Searching ROOTSWEB (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi)
I found this recorded information:
Birth/Christening Death/Burial
Name Date Place Date Place Database
WATKINS, John C. 3 MAR 1770 VA 8 MAY 1859 Jackson Co., GA
:af3512
Spouse: Jane
Watkins, John Calvin 3 MAR 1770 Virginia 8 MAY 1859 Jackson County,
GA bwatkins
Spouse: Jane Webb
This lead me to this treasure chest of information indicating that the
follow up response on the Genforum site was incorrect:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:af3512&id=I2701
As you can see, there exists a family Bible that contains this
information. Several, if not all of these people, may still be alive.
This means that places of burial (by the way, JCW is buried in the
Watkins Family “Graveyard”, Jackson County, GA) marriages, dates,
lineages and many other things are still known and recorded by some
members of this family.
In addition I uncovered this:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bwatkins&id=I001
“The earliest record yet found of JCW's residence in Jackson County,
GA is from a Franklin County Court Record re the sale of land by a
person living in Jackson County who was selling land in Franklin
County. The transaction was signed by John C. Watkins, J. P., Jackson
County in 1807. We have copies of land grants, made Feb 16, 1816
(389.25 acres) and Dec 17, 1818 (145 acres), to JCW. Also in "A
Researchers Library of GA History, Genealogy, and Record Sources --
Davis" (located in the LDS Library, San Marcos, TX), there is an
undated report of a land grant of 287.5 acres recorded in "Book AAAA -
Page 32".”
To take this research in a different direction, but to confirm that I
am on the right track, I also ran into your data on Jane Webb
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bwatkins&id=I035
Name: Jane WEBB
Sex: F
Birth: 1 APR 1779 in Virginia
Death: 31 AUG 1854 in Jackson County, GA
Reference Number: W35
Note: “The Southern Christian Advocate, 1837-60 Vol 1, Marriage and
Death Notices, reported: "Mrs Jane Watkins died in Jackson County
August 31, 1854, consort of J. C. Watkins in her 77th year. Born in
VA, April 1778". (Our records indicate she was born in 1779)”
Records of JCW and his wife are also recorded in the Latter Day Saints
Database here: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
But I believe your research may be the origin of this information as
well.
Additional postings that may be of interest to you include this one
from a great-great-grandson:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igmpostem.cgi?op=show&app=bwatkins&key=I001&return=%3Ca+href%3D%22%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Figm%2Ecgi%3Fop%3DGET%26amp%3Bdb%3Dbwatkins%26amp%3Bid%3DI001%22%3EReturn+to+WorldConnect%3C%2Fa%3E
This one from another researcher whose relationship to Watkins is
unknown:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:af3512
Download a posted GEDcom file:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GED&db=:af3512&id=I2701
or here in a zipped version:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi/af3512.zip?op=Download&db=:af3512
Which contains this data showing a multitude of your living relatives
(who remain anonymous in this forum) who might have additional
information As you will note, some of this information differs from
your own GEDcom file which I have also read:
1 John C. WATKINS b: 3 MAR 1770 d: 8 MAY 1859
+ Jane b: 1 APR 1779 d: 31 AUG 1854
2 Mary M WATKINS b: 2 APR 1804 d: 16 JAN 1883
+ William WILSON b: 16 FEB 1798 d: 25 NOV 1875
3 John W. WILSON b: 24 DEC 1823 d: 29 MAR 1850
3 Francis Fennel WILSON b: 18 OCT 1827 d: 20 JAN 1910
+ Mahulda Ann GARRISON b: 17 FEB 1828 d: 18 FEB 1906
4 Jennetta Nebraska WILSON b: 15 JUN 1854 d: 12 JAN 1855
4 Dilmus Alonzo WILSON b: 25 OCT 1855 d: 10 NOV 1857
4 Columbus Valentine WILSON b: 4 JUN 1857 d: 4 APR 1934
+ Temperance Angenetta MCDONALD b: 15 JAN 1876 d: 23 JUN
1956
5 Collie Bryan WILSON b: 12 SEP 1898 d: 7 JAN 1984
+ Gladys Louise GRAY b: 4 APR 1904 d: 4 NOV 1981
6 Collie Bryan WILSON b: 25 APR 1927 d: 21 JUN
1958
6 Living WILSON
6 Living WILSON
+ Living MERRILL
5 Frank Robert WILSON b: 26 JAN 1901 d: 5 JAN 1977
+ Living WILSON
6 Living WILSON
+ Living KIMBRELL
5 daughter (twin) WILSON b: 29 APR 1903 d: 29 APR 1903
5 daughter (twin2) WILSON b: 29 APR 1903 d: 29 APR
1903
5 Sarah Mahulda WILSON b: 22 APR 1906 d: 1 JAN 1994
+ Paul Haynes DAVIDSON b: 18 APR 1887 d: 5 JUL 1965
6 Jackson Columbus DAVIDSON b: 25 JUN 1923 d: 26
DEC 1947
+ Living HARRIOT
6 Ted Robert DAVIDSON b: 20 AUG 1929 d: 6 JAN 1930
6 Living DAVIDSON
+ Living WILSON
6 Living DAVIDSON
+ Living SHORT
5 Theron Columbus WILSON b: 17 AUG 1909 d: 2 SEP 1990
+ Living PERKINS
6 Living WILSON
+ Living TONKIN
+ Living PARRY
6 Living WILSON
5 Living WILSON
+ Living WESTMORELAND
6 Living WESTMORELAND
+ Living WILSON
4 Mary Lucretia WILSON b: 23 SEP 1861 d: 19 NOV 1870
4 Francis Renolds WILSON b: 18 MAY 1865 d: 15 AUG 1891
3 Sanford S. WILSON b: 3 DEC 1830 d: 21 SEP 1910
+ Melinda Jane GARRISON b: 27 MAY 1831 d: 23 OCT 1903
4 Early M. WILSON
4 Cristie O. WILSON b: 1856
+ Hershall DIXON
4 Capus Nelson WILSON b: 5 MAY 1858 d: 27 JUN 1924
4 Melvin R. WILSON b: 23 JAN 1860 d: 8 APR 1883
4 William Sanford WILSON b: 18 NOV 1862 d: 27 JAN 1918
4 Thomas A. WILSON b: 22 FEB 1865 d: 14 AUG 1865
4 Docia C. WILSON b: 1869
3 Lutishia Loveiney WILSON b: 14 FEB 1847 d: 17 APR 1909
+ William DAVIS
4 Mary DAVIS
2 Matthew G. WATKINS b: 1817
+ Charity I._or_J. b: ABT 1829
3 James C. WATKINS b: ABT 1845
3 Charity V. WATKINS b: ABT 1847
3 Sarah O. WATKINS b: ABT 1849
2 Mark M. WATKINS b: 1819
+ Elizabeth
2 Luke Turner WATKINS b: 1820
+ Amanda L. WILLIAMS
The 1840 Census index shows three Watkins family members living in
Jackson County GA, ages 21, 29 & 45.
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/jackson/census/1840/1840indx.txt
The 1850 Census indicated this:
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/jackson/census/1850/pg0058a.txt
NAME AGE PLACE OF BIRTH
Watkins Luke T. 30 M W Farmer GA
Watkins Amanda L. 25 F W GA
Watkins John C. 5 M W GA
Watkins Celestina J. 3 F W GA
Watkins Jerusha B. 1 F W GA
Watkins John C. 80 M W VA
Watkins Jane 68 F W VA
As expected, this indicates that JCW was still alive as late as 1850
but interestingly reveals children previously unrecorded in the GEDcom
files.
Other family members in this Census can be found here:
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/jackson/census/1850/pg0046b.txt
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/jackson/census/1850/pg0035a.txt
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/jackson/census/1850/pg0024a.txt
You can access other Census records for this area using this link
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gajackso/
Now, about Virginia – I believe you may be right, or at least very
close to be right, in your assertion that Benjamin Watkins, the elder,
may in fact be related somehow to JCW. In the Alphabetical Rent Roll
of Virginia 1704/05 these people appear:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/1704va.txt?sourceid=00224698996451495155
Watkins Benj King & Queen County, 1704
Watkins Edward Henrico County, 1705
Watkins Edwd King & Queen County, 1704
Watkins Henry Sen Henrico County, 1705
Watkins Jno Isle Wighte County, 1704
Watkins Jos Henrico County, 1705
Watkins Philip King & Queen County, 1704
Watkins Rebecka York County, 1704
Watkins Richard Surry County, 1704
Watkins Tho Junr King & Queen County, 1704
Watkins Thomas Essex County, 1704
Watkins Thomas Henrico County, 1705
Watkins Thomas Norfolk County, 1704
Watkins Wm Henrico County, 1705
Watkins Wm King & Queen County, 1704
Watkins Wm Parish of St. Peters and St. Paul, 1704
Given that this is a record of rentals STATEWIDE for the period
mentioned, it is only logical to assume that one or more of these
people could very well be related to your JCW. The question is how?
Since the date is so far in advance of JCW’s birth, and life
expectancy in those days was not as great as it is now, what we may in
fact be looking at one or more of these records, not be his father,
but perhaps his grandfather or even great-grandfather.
The Virginia Pension Roll of 1835 indicates a John Watkins aged 78 of
Bedford County, VA (among other Watkins) receiving a government
pension on 09/21/1819, which COULD, theoretically, place him at the
age to be JCW’s father or grandfather but of course there is not way
here to confirm that:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/pensions/vapen_w.txt
JOHN WATKINS
BEDFORD COUNTY
QUARTERMASTER SERGEANT
VIRGINIA LINE
$96.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE
$1,397.67 AMOUNT RECEIVED
SEPTEMBER 21, 1819 PENSION STARTED
AGE 78
To add to the missed generations I am finding, some very early Watkins
individuals seemed to turn up very often in my research, namely these
in Henrico County, VA who, one or both, may be the ancestors of even
the oldest Watkins you have found to date, Henry Watkins b. 1638 and
Lewis Watkins b. 1641.
HENRICO COUNTY, VIRGINIA: BEGINNINGS OF ITS FAMILIES (Jan. 1916)
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/henrico/bios/earlyfam2.txt
They are mentioned again in this 1679 Tythables For Henrico County
ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/henrico/census/1679tyth.txt
I believe (unconfirmed) one of these may be the forefather of your
family line.
As a source of much of this information you can go to this link
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/vafiles.htm?sourceid=00395804446413121058
and probably search for weeks.
Again, I am sorry that I could not find the exact name that you were
looking for but as you can see I spent a considerable amount of time
on this question and it appears that finding the information your are
seeking will be difficult I not impossible to find using the internet
alone. I encourage you to find your relatives and compare notes if you
can. I hope this information opens new avenues for you to find the
answers you are looking for. If you have any questions about my
research please post a clarification request prior to rating the
answer. Since the answer I provided did not definitively answer your
question feel free to post a clarification request if you feel it is
necessary before you rate or reject the answer and I will be notified.
Otherwise, I welcome your rating and your final comments and I look
forward to working with you again in the near future. Thank you for
using Google Answers.
Best regards;
Tutuzdad-ga |
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