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English Grammar
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education Asked by: dogger-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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30 Dec 2002 07:27 PST
Expires: 29 Jan 2003 07:27 PST Question ID: 134925 |
What is the subordinate clause of this sentence? In spite of these persuasive arguments against putting such a premium on correct spelling it is still taken by most to be the primary factor in distingiushing 'literacy' from 'illiteracy'. |
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Re: English Grammar
Answered By: supermacman-ga on 30 Dec 2002 09:29 PST Rated: |
The subordinate clause of this sentence is: In spite of these persuasive arguments against putting such a premium on correct spelling The main clause of this sentence is: it is still taken by most to be the primary factor in distinguishing 'literacy' from 'illiteracy'. The definition of a subordinate clause (or dependent clause) is a clause that cannot stand alone as a complete sentence and relies on the rest of the sentence for its meaning. The subordinate clause that I retyped above depends on the main clause for its meaning as it makes no sense by itself. The main clause is also able to stand alone and be grammatically correct (it is a complete sentence), while the dependent (subordinate) clause cannot stand by itself as a grammatically correct sentence. I hope this is a satisfactory answer. Additional links Definition of a subordinate clause http://www.writing.ucsb.edu/faculty/behrens/sub.htm http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000010.htm Search strategy subordinate clause |
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I found the explanation very clear and helpful until someone added a comment which made me more confused! |
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Re: English Grammar
From: efn-ga on 31 Dec 2002 18:27 PST |
Some definitions of "clause" say a clause must have a subject and a predicate. With such a definition, the sentence in the posted question does not have a subordinate clause. The phrase "In spite of these persuasive arguments against putting such a premium on correct spelling" is some kind of modifier or prepositional phrase, but it's not a clause, because it doesn't have a subject or a verb. Others define "clause" more broadly to include phrases that don't have a subject, and maybe not even a verb. With this kind of definition, "putting such a premium on correct spelling" and "distinguishing 'literacy' from 'illiteracy'" could both be considered subordinate clauses. I did not find a definition of "subordinate clause" under which I thought the posted sentence would have exactly one subordinate clause. --efn |
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Re: English Grammar
From: dogger-ga on 31 Dec 2002 23:26 PST |
What is the generally accepted way of defining a subordinate clause? I find it all very confusing! |
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Re: English Grammar
From: efn-ga on 01 Jan 2003 08:18 PST |
Hi dogger, I'm sorry to have confused you. The "subordinate" part is relatively easy. A subordinate clause is a clause that can't stand alone and works inside a sentence as a noun, adjective, or adverb. The more difficult question is "what is a clause?" In my Internet searching, I didn't find consensus. It seems that the more old-fashioned sources say it is a phrase that contains a phrase that looks like a sentence, with a subject and predicate. For example, "if you build it" is a clause because "you build it" is a sentence. Then there are some that say the subject can be implied rather than explicit, and there are a few who say you don't even need a verb. That's why my previous comment gave more than one answer. I am not currently in touch with the grammarian community enough to know what definition is generally accepted. I will try to do some research off-line to see if there is any consensus in print. This may take a while, though. Meanwhile, perhaps another reader will chime in. --efn |
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Re: English Grammar
From: supermacman-ga on 01 Jan 2003 20:37 PST |
When I was looking up my original answer, I found "in spite of the fact that" to be a true subordinate conjunction. Using this, the sentence can be modified as such: In spite of the fact that these persuasive arguments are against putting such a premium on correct spelling it is still taken by most to be the primary factor in distingiushing 'literacy' from 'illiteracy'. The subordinate clause would be: In spite of the fact that these persuasive arguments are against putting such a premium on correct spelling because it cannot stand alone as a sentence. The subordinate clause also satisfies the definition of a clause because it includes a subject and a predicate. The subject is "persuasive arguments" and the predicate is "are against putting such a premium...". I did modify the sentence, however, to 'generate' this result. This modification can be justified if the original sentence is grammatically incorrect. Alas, I cannot make such a judgement. I hope this comment offers a bit of insight as to whether the subordinate clause in the unmodified, original sentence is indeed a true clause. |
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Re: English Grammar
From: efn-ga on 05 Jan 2003 15:53 PST |
I looked at the grammar books available at my local library and they all had the more restrictive definition of a clause, the one that says a clause has a subject and a predicate or verb. So it looks like that is the generally accepted definition. The page on "The Clause" at the Grammar Bytes web site may be helpful: http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/clause.htm Dr. Ed Vavra has an interesting discussion here: http://nweb.pct.edu/homepage/staff/evavra/ED498/IM/Clauses_Det.htm --efn |
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Re: English Grammar
From: dogger-ga on 06 Jan 2003 01:14 PST |
Thank you everyone who has helped me with clauses, you are all so kind. I wish I had tried Google answers before. Q. What's the suboordinate clause here? |
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Re: English Grammar
From: supermacman-ga on 06 Jan 2003 16:29 PST |
Your comment (quoted): > Thank you everyone who has helped me with clauses, you are all so kind. I wish I had tried Google answers before. > Q. What's the suboordinate clause here? Your first sentence contains a comma splice and is a run-on sentence. You used a comma when you should have used a period or semi-colon. Therefore, a correction would be: Thank you everyone who has helped me with clauses. You are all so kind. As well, there is no subordinate clause in either of the above sentences. |
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Re: English Grammar
From: dogger-ga on 07 Jan 2003 00:32 PST |
Dear Supermacman and all, In the original sentence "In spite of these persuasive arguments against putting such a premium on correct spelling it is still taken by most to be the primary factor in distingiushing 'literacy' from 'illiteracy'". Do you think a comma should be placed after the word 'spelling'? |
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Re: English Grammar
From: efn-ga on 07 Jan 2003 08:13 PST |
Yes, there should be a comma after "spelling." |
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