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Subject:
World Series contenders
Category: Sports and Recreation > Team Sports Asked by: knowitall22-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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01 Jan 2003 12:31 PST
Expires: 31 Jan 2003 12:31 PST Question ID: 136074 |
The two teams that reach the World Series must each have a team season average well above.500. My question is: What is statistically the latest calendar date that a team may have a .550 average and still be a contender for the Series? At this cutoff date, we can eliminate all teams below .550 as probable contenders. |
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Re: World Series contenders
Answered By: tar_heel_v-ga on 03 Jan 2003 16:25 PST Rated: ![]() |
knowitall22.. Thanks for your question. As has been discussed in the comments below, determining when a team can officially be considered out of the playoffs, typically, can't truly be determined until late in the season outside of the very bottom feeders of the various leagues. However, students at the IC Berkeley Industrial Engineering and Operations Research have, in their Remote Interactive Optimization Testbed, come up with an application that takes the remaining games left and determines all possible scenarios to help take some of the guesswork out. You can find the information at http://riot.ieor.berkeley.edu/~baseball/baseball_main.html as well as download a 33 page paper which explains their calculations at Baseball, Optimization and the World Wide Web, http://riot.ieor.berkeley.edu/~dorit/pub/baseball.html Thanks again for your very interesting question and if you need any additional clarification, please let me know. Regards, -THV Search Strategy: formula eliminate baseball teams playoffs |
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Re: World Series contenders
From: tar_heel_v-ga on 01 Jan 2003 12:37 PST |
knowitall, That is not necessarily true that a .500 record is required to reach the World Series. With the Wildcard playoff spot, it is possible to have less than a .500 record and get in. Also, depending and the strenth of the team's division, it may not take a .500 record to win the Division, which guarantees a playoff spot, which means that the team can reach the WS. Regarding a date, with rain outs and other cancellations, the regular season schedule really doesn't have a definitive end date that is known until a couple of weeks before hand. Regards, -THV |
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Re: World Series contenders
From: knowitall22-ga on 01 Jan 2003 13:01 PST |
tar heel v: You are of course absolutely correct about not needing a .500 average to reach the WS. I'm not a well-informed baseball fan; I was generalizing. It seems intuitively to me there must be some point in the year wherein you could eliminate most teams, and I don't mean the week before the Series. The bookies could improve their odds with some such system. If not a .550 average, some number should do. Of course, the wild card system disrupts previous statistics. knowitall22-ga |
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Re: World Series contenders
From: tar_heel_v-ga on 01 Jan 2003 13:22 PST |
When a team is more games out of playoff contention than they have games left to play is when they are eliminated. Example Team A is in first place and is ahead of Team B by 6 games Team A: 50-25 Team B: 44-31 There are only 5 games left to play in the season and Team B cannot get into the playoffs with a wildcard. Team B cannot make the playoffs as the best record they can have is 59-31 if they win the last 5 games and the worst record Team A can have is 50-30 if they lose the last 5 games. Other than that, there is no surefire method of determining when a team is guaranteed to be in or out of the playoffs. Just ask Boston Red Sox fans :) Regards, -THV |
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Re: World Series contenders
From: justaskscott-ga on 01 Jan 2003 16:36 PST |
The New York Mets reached the World Series in 1973 with a .509 record, and the Minnesota Twins won the World Series in 1987 with a .525 record. |
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Re: World Series contenders
From: knowitall22-ga on 01 Jan 2003 17:58 PST |
tar heel v: I fully understand the conditions under which a team is eliminated from contention. What I am asking: Is there any early warning signal which tells us: This team can't make it, based on probabilities? I also understand anything can happen, which keeps baseball fans charged up. It seems to me that considering the tremendous mass of statistics, for which baseball is famous, there must be a clue in there somewhere to the likely probability of narrowing it down to a few real contenders. If I'm wrong, it isn't the first time. Thanks, knowitall22-ga |
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Re: World Series contenders
From: vercingatorix-ga on 03 Jan 2003 14:56 PST |
Regarding actual winning percentages, I don't think it's possible to establish a firm and meaningful statistical cutoff, as there are too many ways for teams with weak records to make the playoffs. You could probably come up with a statistic regarding distance behind the division front-runner, but I wouldn't try that at this time, as there aren't enough years of data with wild cards to create a dependable statistical framework. In another three or four years, the bookies will probably have all the algorithms worked out. But coming up with a formula now is very risky, kind of like extrapolating Lucent Technology's 2000 total return based on returns of the three previous years. It doesn't take a math major to understand what happened to investors who took that statistical leap. V |
Subject:
Re: World Series contenders
From: tar_heel_v-ga on 03 Jan 2003 15:06 PST |
Closest thing I have found: http://riot.ieor.berkeley.edu/~baseball/detail_calc.html |
Subject:
Re: World Series contenders
From: knowitall22-ga on 03 Jan 2003 15:26 PST |
tarheelv: Hi! I accept your last comment (1/3/03) as an answer. Re-post it as an answer. Your erudition and diligence are awesome. Thanks, knowitall22 |
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