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Subject:
Use of Apostrophe
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: chriso_312-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
05 Jan 2003 15:56 PST
Expires: 04 Feb 2003 15:56 PST Question ID: 137995 |
Is it correct to say: "Two weeks' worth of pay" (with apostrophe), or is it correct to say: "Two weeks worth of pay" (with NO apostrophe) Thank you |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 05 Jan 2003 16:11 PST |
chriso_312... The correct phrase would be the second one. An apostrophe implies ownership, or possession, as in "Harry's name" or "the Jones's cat". Weeks are a term of measurement, rather than an individual or group of people, and cannot have ownership of, or possess anything. Apostrophes are also used in contractions, such as "can not" = can't" They take the place of one or more letters. A thorough discussion of the use to the apostrophe is available at The Open University website, here: http://www3.open.ac.uk/learners-guide/learning-skills/english/sect5/apostrophe.htm Searches done, via Google: "use of the apostrophe" ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22use+of+the+apostrophe%22 Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that the answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog with the researcher through the "Request for Clarification" process. sublime1-ga | |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: secret901-ga on 05 Jan 2003 16:23 PST |
I respectfully disagree with the answerer. Your sentence literally means: "Worth of pay of two weeks," which obviously implies a possession, thus an apostrophe is needed. secret901-ga |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: secret901-ga on 05 Jan 2003 16:26 PST |
To add support for my case, also consider "a day's work," which obviously would be wrong if written as "a days work." secret901-ga |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: secret901-ga on 05 Jan 2003 16:53 PST |
To add even more support to this case, please see this helpful tutorial from Purdue University (note the example of "three days' journey", which shows that time can possess in English): http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_apost.html secret901-ga |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: carnegie-ga on 05 Jan 2003 17:38 PST |
Dear Chriso_312, Sublime1 is correct in his/her statement that the apostrophe-s construction implies possession, but wrong in his deduction. In your example the weeks do possess something: the "worth". As Secret901 correctly advises, the simple test here is to consider the singular case, where any trailing "s" can only represent possession and not be a plural form. So if you would say and write "one week worth of pay", it follows that you should write "two weeks worth of pay". But if - like me and most other people - you would say "one week's worth of pay" (where the "s" must be possessive), it follows that you must write "two weeks' worth of pay". I hope this helps. Carnegie |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: voila-ga on 05 Jan 2003 17:42 PST |
Agree with S901. See B1 here: http://www.xrefer.com/entry.jsp?xrefid=591370 |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: mvguy-ga on 05 Jan 2003 21:11 PST |
As a professional copyeditor, I also disagree with the answer. The Chicago Manual of Style, one of the most popular style guides, says this in Section 6.21: "Anaologous to p[ossessives,and formed like them, are expressions based on the old genitive case: "an hour's delay in three days' time Charles's having been there" |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: stressedmum-ga on 05 Jan 2003 21:12 PST |
Thought you might be interested in what the Australian Government Print Service Style Manual (ISBN: 0 644 297791 9 paperback) states regarding the usage of an apostrophe in this situation. "The apostrophe in expressions of time is increasingly omitted when these contain a plural form, such expressions being regarded as compound nouns with sufficent adjectival force to make an apostrophe superfluous: in ten years time twelve months detention a five minutes start but, [they suggest that it is correct to have:] a day's labour a month's notice Therefore, this Aussie sheila suggests that it is correct to leave out the apostrophe in the context of "two weeks' worth of work". |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: probonopublico-ga on 05 Jan 2003 21:48 PST |
C'mon folks ... Only an ENGLISH person can rule authoritively on the use of English. Chicago? Ozland? NEVER! There MUST be an apostrophe and that's final. |
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Re: Use of Apostrophe
From: carnegie-ga on 06 Jan 2003 13:15 PST |
Yes, Sublime1, "worth" can be an adjective, but it is simply not one in the expressions we are talking about: it is a noun. (What noun do you think it qualifies?) And I must say I'm astonished by the advice of the Australian Government Print Service, quoted by Stressedmum. If "The apostrophe in expressions of time is increasingly omitted ...", I suggest this is either a solecism or else a significant difference in Australian English; it is certainly not so in British English. Also, their example "a five minutes start" is a different kettle of fish altogther, and wrong anyway. In expressions consisting of adjective-noun-noun, the default is for the first noun to be applied attributively (as an adjective) to the second noun first, and then for the adjective to be applied to the resulting compound. If, as here, we require the adjective to be applied first to the first noun and then for this compound to be applied to the second noun, we must hyphen the first two terms together to indicate this. For example, a "large computer disk" is a large disk for a computer, but a "large-computer disk" is a disk for a large computer. On top of that, we use the singular form in this situation even when we are referring to a plurality, so the correct version of "a five minutes start" is "a five-minute start". We say " a six-inch nail", not "a six inches nail"; "a two-horse race", not "a two horses race"! I suppose this could be a difference in Australian English, but I'd be surprised to hear that. Carnegie |
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