looking for information on an artist called huvliuhfhls |
Request for Question Clarification by
answerfinder-ga
on
06 Jan 2003 11:33 PST
Are you sure of this spelling? There's nothing on google at all with this spelling.
answerfinder-ga
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Clarification of Question by
lilacrose-ga
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06 Jan 2003 12:21 PST
i have a fine black ink sketch, found in an old farmhouse in
johhannesburg south africa, cannot read the name of the artist in the
one corner, described the sketch on the bbc antiques roadshow message
board and somebody replied saying thought it was this artist and spelt
it like this "huvliuhfhls" , so i'm going on little info!the name is
either german, swiss or austrian? sketch of a european street scene
looks like mid 1800s.did take the sketch to sotherbys in london said
they could not read the artist either but valued it at &500.i'm real
curious about the artist and was very excited about the name i was
given , but maybe it was a hoax , maybe you can still help, fingers
crossed.
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Request for Question Clarification by
blader-ga
on
06 Jan 2003 14:41 PST
lilacrose:
A scan or photo of the signature in question could help us very much.
Could you provide one for us?
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Request for Question Clarification by
scriptor-ga
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07 Jan 2003 17:47 PST
Dear lilacrose,
I speak German fluently, and I can assure you: There is no way of
pronouncing this odd line of characters for a native speaker of
German. And though I tried hard, I was not able to find any trace of a
name in it. Maybe we really need a scan of the signature, if possible
enlarged.
Regards,
Scriptor
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Clarification of Question by
lilacrose-ga
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10 Jan 2003 05:35 PST
Thanx for the help, i have managed to scan the picture.Where should i
send the picture to?
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Clarification of Question by
lilacrose-ga
on
14 Jan 2003 05:29 PST
please could you let me know the address to send my scanned picture as
requested , hsve not recieved an answer to previous request.
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Request for Question Clarification by
ericynot-ga
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17 Jan 2003 08:56 PST
Hi lilacrose,
It appears that your request for a place to upload your photgraph has
been inadvertently overlooked, but we do want to have a look at it,
and when you respond to this Question Clarification, your question
will pop back up to the top of the questions queue where researchers
are most likely to notice it.
That said, I haven't personally tried these, but here are a couple of
sites that look like they should be able to handle your situation
conveniently, and they are both free:
http://www.usa-ezweb.com/ezfree/
http://www.villagephotos.com/
Just post another Clarification Request if this doesn't help, and I'll
get back to you.
Regards,
ericynot-ga
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Clarification of Question by
lilacrose-ga
on
21 Jan 2003 09:27 PST
i have sent my picture as an attachment to answers@google.com, as i
was not sure of the address , please could you let me know if it has
been recieved, if not please could i have the correct address to send
the attachment to.
Thanx
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Request for Question Clarification by
ericynot-ga
on
22 Jan 2003 12:15 PST
Hi lilacrose,
I don't think you're going to have much luck sending your picture to
answers@google.com. Google operates and regulates the Google Answers
service, but the researchers who answer questions are independent
contractors, not Google staff members. We do not have any direct
access to the inner machinery of Google.
It would be most useful if Google would implement an upload area for
situations such as yours in which researchers need access to a
questioner's materials in order to be able to continue their research,
but such a facility has not yet been implemented.
In the meantime, there are websites available for uploading materials
so they'll be publicly available. Have you tried uploading to the two
sites I mentioned in my previous post to you? They were:
http://www.usa-ezweb.com/ezfree/
http://www.villagephotos.com/
If you post your photo to one of those sites, then post to Google
Answers (as an Answer Clarification) the link to your photo (as
supplied by the upload site), Google researchers will be able to take
a look at it.
Sorry there's not a more direct solution, but try the one I've
suggested and let us know if you have any problem doing it.
Thanks,
ericynot-ga
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Clarification of Question by
lilacrose-ga
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30 Jan 2003 06:22 PST
I have finally managed to upload my picture on the website you
suggested www.villagephotos.com, and it is displayed in the public
gallery of photographs, i think and hope, under the title of ink
drawing, european street.please let me know if you have managed to see
the picture, if there is a problem i will try and sort it out. i'm
looking foward to your response about the artist.
thanx for your advice
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Request for Question Clarification by
scriptor-ga
on
30 Jan 2003 09:31 PST
Dear lilacrose,
Could you please let us know in which category you placed the picture?
Thank you,
Scriptor
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Clarification of Question by
lilacrose-ga
on
04 Feb 2003 06:48 PST
Hi scriptor
The URL below is a link to to the public viewing of my picture i hope
this is will enable you to get to see it, please let me know if its
still a problem.
http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=144873.
looking foward to your response
thanx
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Request for Question Clarification by
blader-ga
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05 Feb 2003 03:09 PST
Hi:
I downloaded your photo and made some image enhancements to it, but
unforunately the resolution of the signature is still a bit low. Is it
possible for you focus on the signature some more, if you used the
digital camera?
I'll try my best to work with what I have, but odds aren't very good.
Best Regards,
blader-ga
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Request for Question Clarification by
blader-ga
on
05 Feb 2003 03:38 PST
After further examination and enhancement, I am 80% confident that the
name contains either "Helleroth" or "Hetteroth".
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Request for Question Clarification by
blader-ga
on
05 Feb 2003 03:51 PST
Actually I think "Helleroth" is part of the title of the picture, on
the lower left corner. It's a location in Germany, apparently. A
search on Helleroth yielded only one result.
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Dear lilacrose,
After a long time of research in printed and online sources, I have
both good and bad news for you.
The good news first: I finally managed, with the help of a person
experienced in reading handwriting, to decipher the signature in the
lower left corner of the picture. It reads the following:
"Heinr. Wetteroth München gdr."
- "Heinr." is an abbrevation for the German given name "Heinrich".
- "Wetteroth" is a surname.
- "München" is the German city Munich.
- "gdr." is an abbrevation of "gedruckt" - "printed".
When I was able to read the signature, I did further research and
found out that the company "Heinrich Wetteroth" was a printshop in
Munich, in business at least between 1910 and 1925, possibly as early
as 1860. They were specialized in making high quality reproductions of
artist's original drawings as engravings, both as single artprints and
for use in books. "Heinr. Wetteroth München gdr." was their copyright
notation; it is also mentioned several times in an online source, a
Polish website on printed art:
Arkadiusz Dobrzyniecki: SLEZANSKIE KRAJOBRAZY, 2000
http://www.oss.wroc.pl/dobrzyniecki/dobrzyniecki.html
So now it is clear that the left signature does not refer to the
artist, but to the printshop that was responisble for reproduction.
This also means, it can't be an original ink drawing. No artist would,
on an original work, mention a printshop. But it is a reproduction of
a quality so high that one could believe it was a drawing.
Now to the bad news. I also found the artist's name. It is the small
signature in the lower right corner. If you look closely, you will
find the following there:
"p. Prötz No. VI"
- The "p" stands for Latin, "pinxit" - "painted"
- "Prötz" is, without any doubt, the artist's surname
- "No. VI" indicates that the prints of this drawing were individually
signed and numbered by the artist, so this is the 5th print of an
unknown, but most likely small number.
Unfortunately, there is not the slightest trace of this Prötz. I
consulted several German multi-volume art dictionaries, some from the
era the print dates from (I used fashion books to find out that the
woman on the left is dressed in a manner that fits with the years
1905-1912). But an artist named Prötz is not mentioned anywhere.
Under this circumstances, it is most probable that he (or she) was
either an artist of extremely limited, local prominence; or that Prötz
was not an artist at all but a private person who drew pictures as a
pure amateur and had money enough to have his pictures reproduced in
small numbers by a professional printshop, maybe for giving them as
personal presents to friends. So there is almost no hope of ever
discovering more on the person who created this street scene.
I sincerely regret that there is no better information anywhere.
Best regards,
Scriptor
Search terms used:
"heinr wetteroth"
://www.google.de/search?q=%22heinr+wetteroth%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=de&meta=
"wetteroth münchen"
://www.google.de/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22wetteroth+m%C3%BCnchen%22&meta=lr%3Dlang_de
"h wetteroth"
://www.google.de/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22h+wetteroth%22&meta=lr%3Dlang_de
"heinrich wetteroth"
://www.google.de/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22heinrich+wetteroth%22&meta=lr%3Dlang_de
prötz
://www.google.de/search?q=pr%C3%B6tz&hl=de&lr=lang_de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N
Additional source:
ZVAB - German Central Database of Antique Books
http://www.zvab.com/ |
