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Subject: Determining Shade Sail edges/curves - Sail Making
Category: Science > Physics
Asked by: barry_hinz-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 08 Jan 2003 05:10 PST
Expires: 07 Feb 2003 05:10 PST
Question ID: 139194
Shade sails (now becoming a popular garden / architectual feature)
always have curved edges, presumably to account for the tensioning of
the wire which runs along the edges, as well as overall tension across
the sail.

Is there a formula to work out the ideal curves/arcs needed, or other
practical way, if I wish
to make my own shade sails (triangular, rectangular or multi-sided)?
Are there any internet sites with more detail?

Request for Question Clarification by hedgie-ga on 08 Jan 2003 23:29 PST
Interesting Question, Barry

  There would not be a formula. but possibly a computer program.
  Your question is related to 'minimal surfaces' problem, which
  can be solved, but it may require too much effort for this type of application.
  Do you want info on that anyway?

hedgie

Clarification of Question by barry_hinz-ga on 10 Jan 2003 04:30 PST
Hedgie,
Thanks for the info. I do understand it and it makes sense, however
yes it would be too complicated to continue.

cheers
Barry

Request for Question Clarification by hedgie-ga on 10 Jan 2003 11:30 PST
OK - we will  let the question expire.

One simple way you may want to try, 
particularly if you have kids, :-)
is to model your minimal surfaces by the soap bubbles.
http://www-sfb288.math.tu-berlin.de/~konrad/booklet/intro.html 

We are neglecting gravity here, which I guess is good aproximation here.

good luck - and have fun.

hedgie

Clarification of Question by barry_hinz-ga on 11 Jan 2003 03:44 PST
Hedgie,
How do I pay at least some amount or tip you and rate you for your
initial effort? Although no definative answer was sought after your
clarification comments, I appreciate your effort and was satisfied
with the overview which was provided therefore should be rewarded.
After all, we all have to eat, pay bills and have fun!

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 11 Jan 2003 12:53 PST
barry_hinz...

You said:
"How do I pay at least some amount or tip you and rate you for your
initial effort?...I appreciate your effort and was satisfied
with the overview which was provided therefore should be rewarded."

Did you mean to address this to me, in regards to the research 
involved in my comment, or was it correctly addressed to hedgie-ga?

Request for Question Clarification by hedgie-ga on 13 Jan 2003 03:26 PST
Hi Barry

         That is nice that you do appreciate our inital efforts.

 It is not neccessary to pay anything, really.
 We do have a community here, which includes
 giving some freebies away, and that includes comments and these
requests
 for clarifications.

 Also no researcher is starving, I am pretty sure :-)

  But, if your conscience would insist, one way would be to cancel
this question and  post a new one, smaller price question(s) with
subject(s) like
 for sublime-ga only
 for hedgie-ga only 
etc.
 Best way is take this as PR  effort and the way business is done
here,
 and just think of the Google Answers next time you are wondering
about something. It was a  neat idea and question.

hedgie
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Subject: Re: Determining Shade Sail edges/curves - Sail Making
From: sublime1-ga on 08 Jan 2003 23:12 PST
 
barry_hinz...

I found several sites which you will probably find
interesting, but was unable to locate a site which
details the formulation of the arc for the sides of
the shade sail. From what I've seen, it is not
necessarily an easy calculation, as the degree of
curvature would seem to vary with the weight of the
material used, as well as the length from corner to
corner. Since they range from lightweight HDPE
(high-density polyethylene) screens to waterproof PVC,
this variance is large.

Aerosail provides copious information, including a 
thorough discussion of the various possible materials:
http://www.aerosail.com/answers.htm

HorizonSails has an illustrated pdf file here:
http://www.horizonsails.com/INFORMATION%20ON%20SAILS.pdf

W.A. Young & Co (they have a 'coming soon' link for 
'Do It Yourself' - not yet active):
http://www.wayoung.com.au/shadesails.html

Coolaroo sails:
http://www.coolaroo.com/html/index6.htm

Coolaroo's self-installation of shade sails
(assumes purchase of pre-cut shade-sail):
http://www.coolaroo.com/html/index6.htm

Good luck with the curvature, which seems to be
a construction engineering problem.

sublime1-ga

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