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Q: Subliminal Universal Energy ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   1 Comment )
Subject: Subliminal Universal Energy
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: etherhelix-ga
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Posted: 10 Jan 2003 13:15 PST
Expires: 09 Feb 2003 13:15 PST
Question ID: 141361
I'm trying to understand the potential both in use and concept, and
possible negative implications of a world view based on the concept of
a sublime energy in the universe that is conciously and unconciously
manipulated by man, a la The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield.
Avoid religious (, etc.) or pseudo scientific
(Hypnosis, NLP, etc.) sources.
Provide information on concepts and tecniques for use of this sublime
energy. As well as arguments for and against it's existence.

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 10 Jan 2003 19:25 PST

It seems unlikely that you will find a discussion of this
topic in a context free of religious (or, more broadly,
spiritual) or pseudo-scientific connotations. Those who
are knowledgeable of this topic have usually become so
through assimilation of the information and guidance
available through these two areas, even if their 
knowledge eventually surpasses what they have found there.

Another area which explores this topic is the martial arts,
such as t'ai chi and kung fu. Those who excel in these arts
may come to know of the nature and use of this energy and
move on to the use of it in healing, such as Kam Yuen, the
kung fu expert who guided David Carradine in the TV series:

Yet even in the martial arts, the comprehension of energy is 
intimately associated with spirituality.

The only other real source authoritative knowledge on this
topic would be the rare individual who has gone so deeply 
into the exploration of their own nature, with no help 
from a structure such as religion, martial arts, or 
pseudo-science, that they have found the pearl of great price
on their own. I am unaware of any of them who have succeeded
in communicating their experience and wisdom in a manner
which would not be classified in one of these contexts
(well, maybe one).

That one might say simply that the energy we call 'life'
pervades all of existence (even what we call inanimate),
and that awareness and will (or the ability to focus on
a choice) cause the energy of life to conform to what we
hold in awareness. Since awareness can be both conscious
and unconscious, it is common for our personal creative
power to be dissipated through unconscious beliefs which
contradict our conscious choices, and that when an
individual can raise the unconscious beliefs to the surface
and become entirely conscious of all the influences on their
awareness, they can then demonstrate considerable power in
creating what they choose. He would also say that the awareness
which you call you is only a drop in the ocean of one infinite
awareness, and that when we as a race come to recognize this,
our combined focused awareness will be capable of creation
beyond our current capacity to imagine. 

As for the negative implications of that ultimate possibility,
there are none, since such power would depend on the harmony
of absolute unanimity. Anything less will produce results
similar to what we are already experiencing - divided,
personalized intentions creating separate individualized
experiences which are limited in power and often in conflict
with the creative intentions of the multitude of perceived 'others'.

That one would be Harry Palmer, who authored the enlightening
and empowering experiential exercises contained in 'The Avatar
Course' as a result of his intense personal exploration of
awareness through the use of a sensory-deprivation flotation
tank. You can download a pdf file of the book about this
interesting process, called 'Living Deliberately', here:

...and the Avatar homepage is here:

Harry would also be the first to affirm that, while you can
examine this topic intellectually, you cannot comprehend it
without the benefit of exploring it experientially. Most martial
artists and healers would likely say the same.

That's the closest I can come to a non-spiritual discussion
of the topic. Other resources I can recommend are medical
doctors who have explored the applicability of the latest 
discoveries in quantum physics to the areas of awareness,
thought and will in medicine and health:

Dr. Larry Dossey, author of Space, Time & Medicine, etc:

Dr. Deepak Chopra (who, admittedly, waxes spiritual)

Dr. Andrew Weil:

And, I'm assuming that Dr. Wayne Dyer falls under your
category of pseudo-scientific:

Since I'm not sure how well the above suits your stated criteria,
I'm posting it as a Request for Clarification to allow you a chance
to respond with your own Clarification. How well does this sort
of discussion satisfy your interests?

Request for Question Clarification by hedgie-ga on 13 Jan 2003 03:54 PST
from hedgie to ether helix
 I agree with Sublime researcher that this topic would be more
 suitable for two questions. One on concepts, other on the critique,
since people who understand QM are rather impatient with the pseudoscience
involved. But, since Sublime covered very well the positive aspect,
I do want to offer some critique for balance:

If you would want more of that kind (and there is more)
 you may  to post that as another question.
 OR very explictly say that that is what you want me to
provide as an answer. Such answer would have nothing (but contempt)
for various pseudo-scientific abuse of QM.


Clarification of Question by etherhelix-ga on 13 Jan 2003 12:00 PST
The truth in the question was that it is very difficult or even
impossible to find someone that has become aware of this knowledge
outside a religious or pseudo-scientific context. That was important
in understanding this topic.

I am intrigued that there is more data on this subject, and as I find
it very fascinating, more reading material would be appriceated. On
the other hand, you have provided an intelligent answer to my
question, the results of which i am pleased with.

Thank you for you insightful answer.

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 13 Jan 2003 13:26 PST

I believe I can find some additional reading material.
Shall I post that as the formal answer, in conjunction
with what I've already written?


Clarification of Question by etherhelix-ga on 13 Jan 2003 14:33 PST
yes that would be teriffic =)
Subject: Re: Subliminal Universal Energy
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 13 Jan 2003 16:12 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars

The following books are written about, or by, individuals who have
come to their own understanding about the nature of energy, thought,
awareness and will.

The ReSurfacing Workbook, by Harry Palmer
"RESURFACING refers to the action of disentangling yourself from
 old creations and rising back into awareness. The ReSurfacing
 workbook is an Avatar guide for exploring the inner workings of
 your own consciousness."

While not as intensive as the Avatar Course, The ReSurfacing
Workbook provides an effective introduction to the transformations
which the experiential exercises of the Course can produce in
awareness. It can be explored individually, as well as in a group.
This book represents the purest exploration of the dynamics
of awareness, consciousness, thought, will and creation, and
is free of any tradition of beliefs, religious or otherwise. It is 
about regaining the ability to examine beliefs and their effects
on our lives, rather than adding to them.

Other Avatar materials are also available on the Avatar website:

Das Energi, by Paul Williams
"Originally published by Elektra Records in 1973 as a paperback
 (the first and only book they ever published), DAS ENERGI
 received no fanfare and no reviews -- but slowly the word got
 around and by 1978 it was an underground bestseller. A deluxe
 paperback edition of this popular favorite is available from
 Entwhistle Books."

This is a modest publication, with only a few succinct phrases
on each page. It may, however, have been the first to touch
upon the concept we now know as 'synchronicity'.

Available for purchase here:

The Bases of Yoga, by Sri Aurobindo
"One of the foremost Indian philosophers of the twentieth
 century, Sri Aurobindo also was a political activist,
 mystic and spiritual leader. Between 1927 and 1950, Sri
 Aurobindo remained in seclusion while perfecting a new
 kind of spiritual practice he called Integral Yoga."

While he authored other books, this is a collection of 
letters he wrote to aspirants on the path of Yoga, and
they reflect the struggles he has with diet, thought,
and other dynamics in the process of attempting to
'ground' the energy of transformation into his body.

Pathways Through to Space, by Franklin Merrell-Wolff
(reviewed by Matt Taylor)
"This book is the personal record of the author's
 transformation of consciousness. The author is very
 well versed in both western and eastern philosophy,
 so he was able to put his experience into those
 frameworks. Frankly, this is the most important book
 I have ever read. I highly recommend it. I've re-read
 it several times. He also wrote "Philosophy of
 Consciousness Without an Object", which is
 unfortunately out of print."

I give this book a very high personal recommendation.

The voluminous works of the prolific Jiddu Krishnamurti:
"J. Krishnamurti, whose life and teachings spanned the
 greater part of the 20th century, is regarded by many
 as one who has had the most profound impact on human
 consciousness in the modern times. Sage, philosopher
 and thinker, he illumined the lives of millions the
 world over—intellectuals and laymen, young and old.
 He gave new meaning and content to religion by pointing
 to a way of life that transcended all organized religions.
 He confronted boldly the problems of contemporary society
 and analysed with scientific precision the workings of the
 human mind. Declaring that his only concern was to ‘set man
 absolutely, unconditionally free’, he sought to liberate
 man from his deep conditioning of sorrow, fear, violence,
 and selfishness."

"Jiddu Krishnamurti (11th May 1895—17th February 1986) was
 born to a pious middle-class family in the rural town of
 Madanapalle in south India. He was ‘discovered’ in his
 boyhood by the leaders of the Theosophical Society, Mrs
 Annie Besant and Bishop Leadbeater, who proclaimed that
 he was the World Teacher that the Theosophists were waiting
 for. As a young man, Krishnamurti underwent certain mystical
 experiences that brought about a deep transformation and
 gave him a new vision of life. Later he dissociated himself
 from all organized religions and ideologies, and embarked
 on his solitary mission, meeting and talking to people not
 as a guru but as a friend."

A catalog of his works can be found at

One book of Krishnamurti's, in particular, is a journal
in which he describes his own experience of being instilled
with the energy. It is an amazing glimpse into the awareness
of a being in the process of transformation, filled,
alternately, with his descriptions of the physical challenges
the process sometimes involved, and the beauty he found in
the simple perception of the world around him when his mind
was free of thought, in a state he called "choiceless awareness".
Reading these descriptions is a meditation in itself.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the title of that specific
book. I'm almost certain it was "Krishnamurti's Notebook", which
I found quotes from at, but a search for the title
came up empty.

'Choiceless Awareness' is discussed in
Collected Works, Vol 5, 1948-1949 'Choiceless Awareness'

'Freedom Love And Action' is another good choice

Eileen Caddy was one of a triad of individuals who
founded the Findhorn Community in Scotland. Each of 
the three individuals represented a different element
 - Spirit, Man's Will, and Nature. Eileen later married
Peter Caddy, who represented Man's Will. Dorothy Maclean
represented Nature, and was in communion with Devas, or
Nature Spirits. Eileen heard the voice of God. Peter
acted on the guidance provided by Eileen and Dorothy,
and together they grew 40 pound cabbages, and roses
in the snow, in a windswept coastal area where only
the tough weed, gorse, grew naturally. From this
beginning, Findhorn went on to become the Findhorn
University of Light. It now exists as the Findhorn
Foundation, and has become an international presence.
Eileen still lives at the community.

Eileen's books can be seen on the Findhorn Press site:

Books by Gopi Krishna, listed on the Tezco Web Design
site, with links to places to purchase:

Gopi Krishna was an office worker who had a family
and lived a relatively normal life, though he prayed
to be allowed to devote himself to meditation after
retiring, which is what took place. He thereafter
had an entirely unexpected experience of incredibly
powerful energy, which he understood to be Kundalini,
as it is known to the eastern traditions, or the 
transformative energy of life. This powerful energy
was torturous, at first, until he came to an
intuitive understanding of how to 'balance' it,
and nurture it with changes in diet. Thereafter, it
became a blissful experience which informed his body
and mind with beauty and inspiration. He wrote
poetry and prose for the first time in his life.
He went on to author several informative books about 
the experience of the awakening kundalini, and it's
ramifications for the evolution of mankind.

"In spite of his religious orientation, he did not have
 a spiritual teacher and was not initiated into any
 spiritual lineage, which would have been a common
 practice for a religious Hindu."

"He is not a guru in the classical sense of one who
 has disciples. He is more of a seeker who documented
 his experiences with the Kundalini energy in a number
 of books in hopes of being helpful to others who
 encounter this extraordinary spiritual phenomena."

From a short biography on

My search strategy was simply to search for the authors
by name. I have happily read all of them in the course
of my life, and am a graduate of the Avatar Course.
I am also licensed to deliver it (please understand this
as a statement of experience with the materials, rather
than as a solicitation).

I hope you enjoy the selection!

Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that
the answer cannot be improved upon by means of a dialog
established through the "Request for Clarification" process.


Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 05 Nov 2006 12:33 PST
In my answer, I said:

"One book of Krishnamurti's, in particular, is a journal
 in which he describes his own experience of being instilled
 with the energy. It is an amazing glimpse into the awareness
 of a being in the process of transformation, filled,
 alternately, with his descriptions of the physical challenges
 the process sometimes involved, and the beauty he found in
 the simple perception of the world around him when his mind
 was free of thought, in a state he called "choiceless awareness".
 Reading these descriptions is a meditation in itself.
 Unfortunately, I'm not sure of the title of that specific
 book. I'm almost certain it was "Krishnamurti's Notebook", which
 I found quotes from at, but a search for the title
 came up empty."

I recently located a complete archive of Krishnamurti's works
online (a popup blocker is recommended):

The book I particularly recommended, 'Krishnamurti's Notebook', 
is here:


etherhelix-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Truly Fantastic!

Subject: Re: Subliminal Universal Energy
From: mathtalk-ga on 10 Jan 2003 20:35 PST
Hi, etherhelix-ga:

I read with interest the discussion of your question by sublime1-ga, a
knowledgeable researcher.

My own comment is a brief one.  The Third and Fourth Insights in
Redfield's original book, The Celestine Prophecy, concern the
relationships people take with respect to this universal energy, or
perhaps more precisely, the limited number of strategies that people
adopt in competing with one another for energy.

In this respect it seemed to me that Redfield's work had a certain
parallelism with the philosophy of the Enneagram, a
mystical/psychological system of personality classification.  The
numbers of categories differ in the two systems, yet I feel that
enough commonality exists in the themes developed in both philosophies
to merit an essay or two.

regards, mathtalk-ga

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