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Subject: For Prince Haversian of GA
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: badabing-ga
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Posted: 11 Jan 2003 13:50 PST
Expires: 10 Feb 2003 13:50 PST
Question ID: 141666
hey, fella, long time no see!

thought I'd give you field trip to your beloved LOC with this one.  I
was just reading about Egon Brunswik, maverick psychologist and the
father of "probablistic functionalism," "the Brunswik faces," and his
pigeon-pecking experiments.  http://brunswik.org/

then I see both he and his wife committed suicide...

http://psychology.okstate.edu/museum/women/an-br.html

1955 Egon Brunswik committed suicide 
1958 Else Frenkel-Brunswik died of barbital overdose 

http://www.undelete.org/woa/woa08-18.html

"08-18-1908, Else Frenkel-Brunswik - Austrian psychologist. She moved
to U.S. after the Anschluss in Germany in 1938. However, the prejudice
did not end with her arrival to the U.S. Her marriage prevented her
from being considered for appointment at the University of California
at Berkeley because her husband was employed there. Her studies in
prejudice were considered major accomplishments in the field, but it
did her no good in face of overpowering gender prejudice by academic
men. She committed suicide at 50 following the death of her husband,
bitter that her career had been stymied because she was female and a
wife. This tale of an accomplished wife being prevented from
expressing her full potential is repeated over and over again in the
U.S., in spite of our vaunted "freedoms."

anyway, I was curious if there were any other notable husband-wife
suicides?  if this is an especially difficult task, lemme know and
I'll faithfully compensate in the tip department.

no hurry and thanks, buckaroo!
granny B
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Subject: Re: For Prince Haversian of GA
From: politicalguru-ga on 16 Jan 2003 10:11 PST
 
The closest I could think of was Sid and Nancy (he apparently tried to
kill himself after killing her, and later committed suicide).

Sorry granny for letting you down.
Subject: Re: For Prince Haversian of GA
From: badabing-ga on 16 Jan 2003 12:09 PST
 
oh, you never let granny down, grandchild.  sure, I'd consider Sid and
Nancy notable and I *think* they were married.  however, it was
probably under the influence so I don't know if it counts.

hopefully I can get a total of 5 examples, so we've left Prince only 3
to locate -- if he ever gets back from the LOC.

thanks for the contribution, pgurudiddy!
GB
Subject: Re: For Prince Haversian of GA
From: omnivorous-ga on 16 Jan 2003 12:20 PST
 
Granny --

We have one at the end of the Third Reich: Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun,
who were married by Josef Goebbels just before killing themselves.

Josef Goebbels, his wife and 6 children were also done in at the end
of WWII but
in their case they were shot by an SS orderly; the children were
poisoned.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA
Subject: Re: For Prince Haversian of GA
From: pinkfreud-ga on 16 Jan 2003 12:22 PST
 
Sadly, this question reminds me of one of my favorite science fiction
writers, James Tiptree, Jr., who died in a suicide pact with her
terminally-ill husband.

"Tiptree (1915-87), whose real name is Alice Sheldon, was an
intelligence officer with the CIA with an earned doctorate in
experimental psychology.

She kept her identity secret until she won an award for being a male
sensitive to female characters in science fiction.

Her writing exhibits a deep concern for male/female harmony.

She is best known for her short stories:

"Houston, Houston, Do You Read?" 
"Love is the Plan, the Plan is Death" 
She also wrote--and won awards--as Racoona Sheldon.

She and her husband committed suicide together."

http://www.nvcc.edu/home/ataormina/scifi/history/women.htm
Subject: Re: For Prince Haversian of GA
From: leli-ga on 16 Jan 2003 13:17 PST
 
Arthur and Cynthia Koestler:

Hungarian-born philosopher and writer Arthur Koestler, famous for his
novel "Darkness at Noon", was an active member of the British "right
to die" group Exit. In 1983 at the age of 77, suffering from
Parkinson's disease and terminal leukemia, he chose for
"self-deliverance" as he called it in an essay. He was joined in the
act by his wife Cynthia, twenty years younger and in perfect health.

Arthur - 
"I wish my friends to know that I am leaving their company in a
peaceful frame of mind, with some timid hopes for a depersonalised
afterlife beyond due confines of space, time and matter and beyond the
limits of our comprehension. The "oceanic feeling" has often sustained
me at difficult moments, and does so now, while I am writing this.
What makes it nevertheless hard to take this step is the reflection of
the pain it is bound to inflict on my few surviving friends, and above
all my wife, Cynthia…"

Cynthia - 
"I should have liked to finish my account of working for Arthur - a
story which began when our paths happened to cross in 1949. However, I
cannot live without Arthur, despite certain inner resources."

from: "Dying is an Art"
http://www.rnw.nl/culture/suicide/html/altruism.html

More on Koestler:
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/koestler.htm
Subject: Re: For Prince Haversian of GA
From: badabing-ga on 26 Jan 2003 23:21 PST
 
thanks for the input, kids.  much obliged.  I'll see if can coax PH
back to the living to add any more.  will be back in touch with
further instructions before this dude expires.

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