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Subject: Divorce / Family Law: sgstns for ESP (Bite sized 2) - how to get them to pay
Category: Relationships and Society > Law
Asked by: markp-ga
List Price: $15.00
Posted: 13 Jan 2003 20:58 PST
Expires: 24 Jan 2003 18:08 PST
Question ID: 142367
This question is Similar to below, but I only need : 
 
need this by 7:30am tues jan 14h. (no tip for this question, unless
you go above and beyond.) I expect a good answer for $25.
  
I am willing to break this question up, into smaller more bite sized 
questions if that will help.  
 
*********   Most importantly, 
I need to know How can I write agreement or what can I do to make her
pay for my attorneys fee to enforce an agreement?  example: have a
sealed envelope with what I propose, and if its close to what the
judge rules then she pays ******** also, how can I conduct myself / do
things to help ensure that I dont pay for her attorneys fees. Are
there any other factors in this, other than my income vs hers, that
could be in my favor?

Get creative, but realistic, maybe somethign you heard someone tell
you, or something that is documented. Bonus if you can point to a web
page showing this / documented.
 
 

I also posted: 
Subject: Divorce / Family Law: suggestions to take to ESP (Bite sized
1) - agreement doc
Category: Relationships and Society > Law 
Asked by: markp-ga 
List Price: $20.00  Posted: 13 Jan 2003 20:51 PST 
Expires: 12 Feb 2003 20:51 PST 
Question ID: 142364 
 
This question is Similar to below, but I only need : 
 
need this by 7:30am tues jan 14h. (no tip for this question, unless
you go above and beyond.) I expect a good answer for $25.
  
I am willing to break this question up, into smaller more bite sized 
questions if that will help.  
 
***Most importantly, 
I need to know what type of things should go in this agreement to
benefit me *** basic suggestions, and things I might not have thought
of.
 
 
 
old question is quoted here. 
Subject: Divorce / Family Law / Child Support / Custody: suggestions 
to take to ESP 
Category: Relationships and Society > Law  
Asked by: markp-ga  
List Price: $106.00  Posted: 13 Jan 2003 19:00 PST  
Expires: 12 Feb 2003 19:00 PST  
Question ID: 142323  
  
Hi,  
  
I need this answer fast, by 7:30am Eastern time Tues jan 14th. Thats
when our ESP is.  I dont know if we will resolve our issues, and reach
an agreement though, so I still welcome answers and comments later  
than just this date.  
  
I will add a TIP up to $100 for a fast and thorough answer.  I will  
Probably tip $50, but if you really do a great and thorough job, you
could possibly expect $100, assuming I have the answer by the 7:30am
Tues Jan 14th ESP date deadline.  
  
I will be checking in to monitor progress and requests for  
clarification several times tonight / tomarrow morning.  I may even  
get inet access from court tomarrow during the day / lunch break.  
  
I live in New Jersey.  I am the father of a precious 3 yr old  
daughter.  
Married 6 years, many periods of seperation.  
  
My intention of this question is to discover issues that could be  
important to me, during and after the ESP. (early settlement panel).
this is very important. I want to address every last conceivable  
detail, to prevent disagreements down the road, and to set  
expectations, and even put penalties in the agreement if one party  
fails to comply - is that last part possible???  and who pays to  
enforce, and loser pays attorneys fee? extra parenting time , as well
as financial penalties ?  
  
I also want to know how enforceable these issues / agreement are.  
Also how much money it will cost to enforce, somehting. (roughly  
potential, and estimated) dont spend too much time on.  
  
What sort of things should be put into this "agreement."  
  
i have attorney, but he has seemed to not share what he knows about  
these issues, or just doesnt know.  he does serve a purpose, but I  
need more info, or to give him leads on this stuff.  I cant expect him
to know everything right?  
  
As I understand it, my wife and I, and our attorneys will meet at ESP,
try to hash out an agreement, and then goto a judge and get divorced.
  
I am VERY concerned that I should speak now, or forever hold my peace
regarding this "agreement".  
  
examples of some things to discuss:  
  
who pays for phone calls? I have read on internet, mothers refuse  
children to call their father, because the long distance calls. things
like that. arguign over this.  I would like everything spelled out.  
especially assume things are sort of cool, but at least semi  
reasonable relations now.  and this is not garanteed in the future. ex
spouses could not get along at all, and become cruel.  I could never
see me do this, but I am concerned she might break laws, and ignore  
judges orders, not allow visitation, manipulate every law, and try to
get me to pay for it!  
  
She is currntly making about 30k and getting 100-200 a week under  
table in a seperate OT check from working overtime, non taxable, from
her lawfirm that she works for.  
  
I make about 45-58k, currently on the high side of that #.  
  
I have been granted joint legal custody, she has primary physical  
custody, at least ruled at the motion hearing.  I would like to take
my daughter out for McDonalds once a week, and possibly have 48 hrs  
parenting time (2 days) during the week, if I am unemployed, rather  
than have her goto daycare those days.  
daycare is $650 per month total.  
  
I think she is eligable for NJ family care, based on her income, or at
least with a small contribution to it.  I dont have health insurance
for me.  She has for wife.  her to put daughter under her plan could
be $300 extra a mo.  
  
potential issues are:  
  
Legal custody issues  
  
religion - daughter was raised christian for 3 yrs, and now wife wants
her to be catholic. what are arguments for me for best interests of  
daughter? Daughter was baptised / dedicated at christian church.  We
were in agreement.  Now she has told me she didnt / doesnt want that.
schooling - I prefer public or christian school, not catholic. what  
can I do? she has physical custody.  I dont. My understanding is that
I basically have no say in how daughter raised. I cantforce wife to  
send her to certain school?  what about costs? I dont want to pay  
100%? I would prefer it come out of child support, or I pay a fair  
portion.  
discipline ? - how has this been handled? I would prefer a verbal  
warning / age appropriate time out / "light tap to get the attention
or whatever", vs almost no discipline. - again we were in agreement  
about this, and we both participated, now she has "no comment" when  
asked about this.  
day care - selection  
doctors - selection  
medical treatment - God forbid daughter might need some, can I be  
notified, also if something serious, what imput do i have for other  
forms of treatment?  
how might that affect visitation and costs?  
  
Visitation issues  
  
holidays  
parties  
daycare / school functions  
transportation costs and time shared  
  
  
chaild support  
daycare income ratio  
medical insurance  
medical expenses: unreimbursed medical ratio (copay) etc  
  
counsel fees - she already awarded 1500 out of 2500 for her  
  
bank accounts - she is trying to hide a few. she had total 2000 when
seprated, now she probably spent it. can I get some of that?  
I didnt have any in my account when we seperated (I was unemployed,  
and she refused to contribute to household expenses)  
  
tax issues: claim daughter as dependant.  
  
who gets physical custody daughter in case of death of wife?  me? or
can she specify who in a will?  can that be in the ESP / agreement?  
  
what if she remarries, and gets divorced again... can I lose parenting
time to the step dad, how will the pie slices of parenting time and  
COSTS be devided??  
Can We address that in the agreement?  
  
what is binding in the agreement?  
what is not binding or enforceable? 
  
 
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Clarification of Question by markp-ga on 13 Jan 2003 19:07 PST  
What about extra curricular activities? who pays for, and How can I 
get daughter to take music lessons if wife doesnt want her to, or 
doesnt want to pay? why should I shoulder all the financial load of 
that activity? 
what good is joint legal custody?   
  
how can I get joint physical custody?  - is this possible in NJ? in 
rare cases? 
  
 
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Clarification of Question by markp-ga on 13 Jan 2003 19:13 PST  
also, what is the downside if we dont reach an agreement tomarrow, Jan
14th 2003? How expensive / complicated / financially / emotionally 
draining could this get? are there any studies on this? financially 
speaking? better to cut losses now, rather than get what I want? 
opinions? comments? 
  
Can a good arguement be put forth that she is refusing to come to a 
reasonable agreement / she is being unreasonable, and therefore should
pay for my court costs from now on? or some portion? how can I prove 
this behavior to a judge? 
of course her attorney doesnt want to settle... how can I document her
unreasonableness for a judge to look at later on? 
  
any advice on getting one party to pay for the other parties attorney
/ legal costs? (excluding decision based on income, I make more than 
her). 
  
something creative? seal an envelope with a proposed agreement, and if
it is similar to what the judge would rule, then she pays my fees plus
hers? 
  
come on: I know there are lots of attorneys out there... lets here 
what you have to say. 
  
Thank you. 
  
 
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Clarification of Question by markp-ga on 13 Jan 2003 20:24 PST  
I spent about $200 on Christmas gifts for my daughter.  
As far as I know, gifts dont count towards child support.  
I sort of feel robbed that I dont get "credit" for that $200.  
  
Can we write someting into the support agreement about gifts counting
towards child support / or negotiate that somehow? 
It is not inconceivable to easily spend $500 on gifts per year on my 
income. 
  
Has anyone heard of a creative way to handle this? or using this as a
tradeoff or bargaining chip? 
  
 
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Comments       
  
Subject: Re: Divorce / Family Law / Child Support / Custody: 
suggestions to take to ESP 
From: tutuzdad-ga on 13 Jan 2003 20:34 PST      
Dear markp-ga:  
  
I began taking an honest stab at your question but really, it is so 
complex that there is absolutely nothing productive to be gained by 
quizzing an internet forum about the future of your family. I do not 
mean this in a derogatory way either as I can personally sympathize 
with your current circumstances. 
  
Your comment: "i have attorney, but he has seemed to not share what he
knows about these issues, or just doesnt know.  he does serve a 
purpose, but I 
need more info, or to give him leads on this stuff.  I cant expect him
to know everything right? ", concerned me so that I abandoned the 
question altogether. The short answer to this question is YOU BET! He
should know EVERYTHING he is supposed to know about this issue. If he
doesn't, and you already know that, then YOU will have ineffective 
counsel going into this thing. You can rest assured that your spouse's
attorney will arrive fully prepared to do battle (or you should at 
least assume that). 
  
My best advice to you at this late date, for your own sake, is save 
your $106 and your $100 tip and go get a fast second legal opinion, or
fire your attorney and seek to have the ESP postposed until you can 
obtain a competent attorney. One of you in this hearing who doesn't 
know what to expect is ok, as long as that one guy isn't your 
attorney. 
  
Good luck;  
tutuzdad-ga
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