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100-year storage of digital data
Category: Computers > Security Asked by: doxeyman-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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16 Jan 2003 15:09 PST
Expires: 15 Feb 2003 15:09 PST Question ID: 144425 |
How can I backup large amounts of digital data for a period of 100 years, avoiding the consequences of hardware failure and software obsolescence? I run a large information website, made from 2,000 files using 280 Mb of data (30 Mb of text, the rest images). This represents about 7,000 hours of my time and I am concerned about the long-term prospects for conventional data storage on PC hard-disc backed up onto data CD. Is it true that the rapid advances of software and PCs imply that data CDs will not be readable in 20 years time because the necessary hardware and software will be obsolete and unobtainable? This has already happened to me once, I started using a state-of-the-art Amstrad PCW8256 in 1983, which used CP/M (before the MSDOS era), now 20 years later it is very difficult to get hardware or software to run the system because it is obsolete. Can you advise the best way to store digital data so that it will be easily accessible by the public in 2103? Film may be an idea, but it would require 5 million words printed out and photographed onto microfiche. They solved the problem in 1600, I regularly work from documents written in ink on manuscript that are easily readable after 400 years. I believe that Scientific American ran an article on this subject several years ago, but I have never been able to trace it, can you help? Also, is anyone backing up the Internet as it exists today, it would be a wonderful time-capsule. |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
Answered By: skermit-ga on 16 Jan 2003 16:19 PST Rated: |
Hello, While I have not found the specific article that you are looking for, I have found numerous references to it online. I have sent an e-mail to their science and technology address at experts@sciam.com, and am awaiting a reply which will hopefully tell me which issue the article appeared in. Long term digital storage is a problem which more and more companies and institutions are coming to terms with. In fact, by contract of the National Gallery of Art, a consulting firm in Bethesda, MD (link below) have a patent-pending invention which promises to provide a "solution for archiving all file sizes, from megabytes to zettabytes." There isn't much detail in the article, but it's good that others are realizing and coming up with solutions to deal with this problem. It's true that older CDRs may have only had a lifespan of 5-10 years, but today's CDRs have been tested to a archival life of 50 or more years, some commercial brands pushing even 100 years. The National Media Lab came up with these numbers in a directed study to counterpoint an article written up in US News & World Report entitled, "Whoops, there goes another CD-ROM". Both are linked below for your convenience. The United States is not the only country interested in this dilemma though, the National Library of Australia has a website devoted long term data storage, and has a robust bibliography to continue reading should you be interested. But even if a media is invented which can stand up to the wear and tear of a century or more, data retrieval may be the problem. A huge report (linked below) lists technological obsolescence as the real problem, not long term data storage. For example, many programs created for the first computers stored on paper punch cards are no longer able to be read by ANY current computer system. This is digitally stored data which is not even 40 years old! Often museum relics are fixed up in order to restore and convert data into storable formats. Periodic data migration is the troublesome solution which seems to be the only viable one. So what is the nearest short-term solution? DVD-R or high quality CDR discs which may last upwards of 100 years, even if the technology required to play them back may not. Or you could use this as a short term goal until holographic storage becomes a reality. The transparent cubes used to store the data are engineered for durability (at least in theory). For a primer on holographic storage, I've directed your attention to a couple articles, one of which is on Scientific American's website. Search Strategy: "scientific american" "long term data storage" on google: ://www.google.com/search?q=%22scientific+american%22+%22long+term+data+storage%22 long term data storage "100 years" on google: ://www.google.com/search?q=long+term+data+storage+%22 Additional Links: Accessible, Long-term, Error-free Archival Storage of Digital Data Files: http://www.storagesearch.com/morris-ward-art1.html "Data Storage and CD-R Longevity" (references Scientific American article as well): http://www.beauphoto.com/frames/digital/news/cdr.html "Whoops, there goes another CD-ROM" on US World News & Report: http://nl3.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?s_hidethis=yes&p_product=UW&p_theme=uw&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring=19980216003232&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=(%2219980216003232%22)&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&xcal_useweights=no National Media Laboratory press release & response to US World News & Report article: http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Industry/news/letter-190298.html "Preserving Digital Information" commissioned by The Commission on Preservation and Access and The Research Libraries Group, Inc.: http://www.rlg.org/ArchTF/tfadi.index.htm "Holographic Memory" on How Stuff Works: http://www.howstuffworks.com/holographic-memory.htm "On the Horizon: Holographic Storage" on Scientific American: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0003B887-9065-1CBD-B4A8809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=1&catID=9 I hope I addressed the points in your questions to your satisfaction. As to your internet archiving mini-question, please point your browser to http://www.archive.org/ otherwise known as the Wayback Machine. They've been taking periodic snapshots of many websites as far back as the mid 1990's. It's quite interesting to see how old versions of popular websites looked. Thank you for the opportunity to answer your question, if you require more information, please clarify the question, or if you find this answer satisfactory, please feel free to rate it. Thank you! skermit-ga | |
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Thanks "Skermit" for a great answer to a problem thats worried me for years. |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
From: houstonguy-ga on 16 Jan 2003 17:06 PST |
wonder if "vacuum packing" a CURRENT computer/technology with your archived data would be a feesable thing....kind of like cryonics in a sense. |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
From: skermit-ga on 16 Jan 2003 18:05 PST |
Hah, nice idea... reminds me of the secret decoder rings in Cracker Jacks! |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
From: owain-ga on 17 Jan 2003 08:43 PST |
You mention microfilming as one possible (partial) solution; you may not know that COM (direct computer output to microfilm) is possible. Your data would not have to be printed out to paper before being microfilmed. This is a well-established technique and has excellent longevity. Owain |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
From: fstokens-ga on 17 Jan 2003 11:28 PST |
If you had archived your data 50 years ago (or even 20 years ago) what method might you have used? How many of the methods that you might have used are still in use today? If you want to put your data in a vault and walk away for 100 years, paper (or microfilm) is about the only thing you can rely on. If you want to store it electronically, plan to periodically transfer it to new media. In principle you could store a readout device with the stored data, but you'd better include a complete computer, because input/output methods may have changed in 100 years. And there's no guarantee that the readout device and the computer will still work after being in storage for 100 years. |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
From: ldavinci-ga on 17 Jan 2003 12:37 PST |
Hi doxeyman-ga Here is the link to the Scientific american article that you've requested: http://www.informatics-review.com/classic_reviews/long.pdf I do have my own ideas(developed over last few years) of longterm inexpensive digital archival that is fast inexpensive and does not depend on hardware/software obselence and still storage efficient (apart from easily being tranfered inexpensively using current technology). Unfortunately I cannot provide you with any further information since the idea is much more worth than the price for an answer :-). Regards ldavinci-ga |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
From: doxeyman-ga on 17 Jan 2003 13:19 PST |
Thanks a million "IdaVinci", I've been looking for that Scientific American article for years. Now I've recorded it on paper(!). If your idea is half as good as you describe, you'll make a lot of money and please add me to your list of future customers. And thanks "Owain", I didn't know about COM (direct computer output to microfilm), but I aim to find out a lot more, it sounds like what I am looking for. And thanks to "Skermit" for such a good answer to start with. What a great Forum this is. |
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Re: 100-year storage of digital data
From: skermit-ga on 20 Jan 2003 22:58 PST |
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/tech/1739675 Has is a new article on the pitfalls of digital evolution, and people in charge of data migration not keeping up. skermit-ga |
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