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Subject: a question for cerebrate-ga only re XP and 98 direct connection via parallel
Category: Computers > Operating Systems
Asked by: onetwothreefour-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 16 Jan 2003 15:42 PST
Expires: 15 Feb 2003 15:42 PST
Question ID: 144441
PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER THIS IF YOU ARE NOT THE NAMED RESEARCHER
I'd like to connect my Desktop PC running windows 98 to my new laptop
running win XP. I was hoping to do this using a parallel cable and
direct cable connection . I have tried this but have been
unsuccessful.
My objective is to transfer all my data files to my new laptop - about
6GB
Can you please talk me through how to do this or if not possible
discuss the various alternatives for transferring the data.
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Subject: Re: a question for cerebrate-ga only re XP and 98 direct connection via parallel
Answered By: cerebrate-ga on 16 Jan 2003 16:53 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear onetwothreefour-ga,

Thank you for the directed question; most flattering. I hope I can
provide you with a satisfactory answer.

As it happens, there is a known issue with using Direct Cable
Connection between Windows 98 and Windows XP. I've found a description
of this issue and the workaround:

"To be able to connect, I decided to try the option: 'Always allow
directly connected devices such as palmtop computers to connect
without providing a password'
 
Now, I was able to connect from my Windows 95 system."
  - Windows XP Direct Cable Connection from Windows 95,
    http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxpdcc9i.htm

There are detailed step-by-step instructions available for setting up
a connection between a Windows XP and a Windows 98 machine, including
this workaround, available from Parallel Technologies:

http://www.lpt.com/Support/DCC-SetUp/dcc-setup.htm

(then scroll down to section IV: "Windows XP to Windows 9x/Me Direct
(Cable) Connection Setup")

although they are rather too long to place within the body of this
answer, copyright issues being what they are.

If these instructions don't help, another likely possibility is that
it might be a cable issue - you should be aware that a standard
parallel cable, such as you might use to connect a PC to a printer
switch-box, for example, won't work for Direct Cable Connection.
Instead, you need a Laplink/Interlink cable, or - if you have a recent
motherboard which lets you enable ECP ports in the BIOS, a
"DirectParallel Universal Fast Cable".

More informstion on the cabling required is available here:

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/dcccable.htm

I can personally recommend the DirectParallel cable (
http://www.lpt.com/Shop/shop.asp#DirectParallelUniversalFastCable ) as
providing a suitably fast transfer speed over the direct cable
connection, close to that you might expect from a 10 Mbit Ethernet
connection.

If you still have trouble after trying this, I can certainly try to
debug the problem for you, or there are the other alternatives you
mention. The first one, and one that I'd immediately discard, is the
possibility of using a serial cable rather than a parallel one to
connect the two computers, still using Direct Cable Connection.
However, taking into account the volume of data you have to transfer,
this would be painfully slow, and as such I couldn't recommend it.

Second is the possibility of setting up an Ethernet network to connect
the machines in question. Amazon.com sell various networking kits
designed for this purpose at around the $80 mark, such as this Linksys
solution:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00003006O/qid=1042763966/br=1-3/ref=br_lf_e_3//103-6875762-3186245?v=glance&s=electronics&n=281415

(Note that these solutions are generally designed to connect two
desktop computers; as one of your machines is a laptop, you would need
to obtain a separate PCMCIA network card for it if it does not include
its own Ethernet port.)

This would work best if your laptop happens to be one of the many
laptop designs which includes an integral Ethernet port, in which case
you would only need a network card for your existing desktop and a
crossover cable, which you should be able to obtain cheaply from any
computer shop.

And a final, third solution avoids the direct connection entirely. For
that volume of data, another possibility would simply be to burn the
whole of the 6GB you wish to transfer onto CD-R, and copy it from them
on to the laptop. This, of course, depends on you having, or having
access to a CD-R burner, but I thought I'd mention it as they do seem
to be becoming increasingly common these days.

Hopefully the direct cable connection solution will work for you at
this point; if you run into any problems implementing this, or if
you'd prefer to pursue one of the other solutions in detail, please
feel free to request a
clarification,
     
cerebrate-ga 
 
Search Strategy:

Google Microsoft Search "direct cable connection" -
://www.google.com/microsoft?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=direct+cable+connection
Personal knowledge.

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 17 Jan 2003 06:54 PST
Although i have NOT yet solved this - this is a very good answer - btw
yes i picked you because i liked your other answers.
In fact i had found *some* of the key url's you mentioned (all good
ones btw_ and tried to follow although i had missed off installing
NWLink to enable IPX/SPX/NetBios on XP
I have done that now and it still isn't working. I think i have done
everything correctly so it raises a question about the cable. It WAS
sold it as a laplink cable (ie not printer type)  but i wonder if it
is incorrect (then is no packaging with it and it came from a small
local type shop)
I will check it with a new cable and get back to you if it doesn't
work still.
Unfortunately i do not have a CD burner on the desktop - i had thought
of that myself - even tried to borrow one with no success.
I have ethernet on the laptop but probably not on desktop - i dont'
fancy that solution at the moment anyway.
for info i am in the uk -  as regards cable purchase recommendations 
I will get back to you once i have checked the cable and then we can
proceed further - if you don't hear from me for a while then it maybe
that i have to go am away till Tues - in which case apologies for the
delay
best regards in meantime
JD

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 17 Jan 2003 07:07 PST
PS
As regards the password issue - prior to your answer , i saw a page
detailing that both a password MUST be used as well as the one you
gave stating that password thing must be switched off
I have tried both (I think)but this would possibly be an area to
explore next, once the cable thing is resolved.

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 17 Jan 2003 09:48 PST
ok well i have a new cable now and i can tell you that the cable i had
was a dud for sure. I am at least getting some recognition from the
PC's now but it is simply now a matter of not authenticating the user
ie password issue.
Could you talk me through that side of things again now in more detail
because i have fiddled around with things and not sure what i ought to
have - at the moment i have Client for Microsoft Networks as primary
logon and my user name and password matches on both PC's.
I have told 98 to use my windows pw as my network pw
i think i have xp set as allow nonpassword (can't remember how you get
to that). But also it asks for me a password somewhere else in network
settings in XP.
I was being asked for a domain but managed to switch that request off
on XP.
Can you point me to /remind me how to make it all work with no
password or else how to get the passworded thing working

The non -passworded example seems to relate to Xp being the host
whereas i ahve 98 as the host.
Let me know what you think is best - objective is to be able to drag
and drop files from Desktop 98 to laptop xp . I am around tonight uk
time
thanks
JD
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Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 17 Jan 2003 15:56 PST
I have been looking into this now for the last hour or so ! I can get
the early stage of the connection with XP as the host - but then my
password is rejected at the final stage
I can also get early stage of connection trying 98 as the host (which
is really what i want) but then the user account is not recognised
and/or password message comes up. I am also not sure what to type into
the domain box

I have tried various combinations of with/without passwords but i am
losing my way a bit eg i can't find where i can turn off password
request on 98 (I think i selected it on) nor reliably on XP (i found
it a few times but now i can't recall where it was!)

I think i followed the instructions in detail on the site you gave and
have only gone off track trying other things when it didn't work

I am sure i have my password correct and it's nothing obvious like
caps lock or anything

The machines are at least definitely seeing each other eg XP host
registers the incoming connection as "unauthenticated user" . 98 guest
machine is saying verified username and password in early stages and
picking up the name of the other machine \\judylaptop etc but then i
am asked again for password and then am rejected

I have not password protected individual folders and yes i am
remembering to turn on folder sharing for the relevant machine

I am stuck again now !

Clarification of Answer by cerebrate-ga on 18 Jan 2003 05:29 PST
Dear onetwothreefour-ga,

Good to hear we got the cable problem sorted out, at least.

I'm still hunting out information on the authentication problem, but I
do have a few preliminary suggestions that you might try:

1. Is the "guest" account enabled on the Windows XP machine? If not,
that's something you might try for the XP-as-host configuration.

2. Microsoft Knowledge Base article 306065 (
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306065 )
suggests that a connection may not establish if "Dial-Up Adapter"
isn't installed in the Windows 98 network properties; I don't think
this is the problem, but if you could confirm that it's there it'd be
one more thing to eliminate.

Unfortunately, the only other MSKB article I've found so far that
appears relevant is 310152 (
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310152 ) which
covers ensuring that the two ends of the connection have corresponding
network protocols, and we've already done that. None of them, alas,
are forthcoming on the authentication issue.

3. Again with XP as the host, could you try deleting any/all *.pwl
files from C:\WINDOWS on the Windows 98 machine - you need to do this
from a command prompt boot - and try again after a restart? Old
password information cached in such files has given me this type of
trouble before.

I've got a few places left to try searching, and I'm going to see if I
can put together a similar setup to run some tests on myself this
weekend, so don't take this as the last resort - but it may take me a
while to get that set up and tested, I'm afraid.

Sorry for the delay,

cerebrate-ga

Clarification of Answer by cerebrate-ga on 18 Jan 2003 05:33 PST
One more thing: could you let me have the exact text of the error
messages you're getting, each time? It would make searching for
references to the specific problem you're having rather easier.

Thanks,

cerebrate-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 20 Jan 2003 15:27 PST
i am away from home at home but i recall for sure yes dial up adapter
is installed on 98

Sorry for not including exact text of error messages - i was getting
tired and had tried so many things was goggl-eyed. i will supply those
on my return hopefully tues eve or weds

i think your pwl suggestoin is good and also the guest thing could be
important too. i will look into both of those on my return and get
back to you on that
thanks for suggesting to mimic my setup - you can await my earlier
responses if you like before going to all that trouble.
regards
JD

Request for Answer Clarification by onetwothreefour-ga on 22 Jan 2003 17:00 PST
Success !!
The first thing i tried since your last posting was to enable the
guest connection on XP and now it works fine in that manner. I haven't
bothered to test the other way as it is not needed to achieve what i
want. ie copy files over.
I think i clicked a few other boxes for good measure (sorry to be so
ridiculously vague !!) so it is possible that something else was the
key thing but i doubt it. I will maybe unwind what i did to see what
it is the true solution later as i will review my security settings
once the laptop up is my main machine.
Anyway , sorry for delay i was away till today and thanks for great
answers.
I have some other questions but i think they should be asked
separately as i am sure you have earned your fee for this already !!
I will try at first to solve them myself then if not , i will post.
thanks again
JD

Clarification of Answer by cerebrate-ga on 23 Jan 2003 04:49 PST
Glad that worked for you, and thank you for the high rating.

cerebrate-ga
onetwothreefour-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Excellent, thanks !

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